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Last Post By: tinokiev
Post Date: 7/20/2007 9:30:27 PM
Body: Personally I often find myself trying to classify or rate a film, specially asian ones and not finding a term or a category to put it on. It is like " a wong kar wai" film. Wong Kar Wai himself is a category of his own approach to aesthetics's, or you could said a "takashi mike" film and you know you are going to expect lots of blood. But still are hard to categorized. You cannot say "The postmen in the mountain" is a father-son movie only, or that "scent of the green papaya" is maturity. Etc. I think everyone is clear that there are just movies that do not fall into a genre and explore here and there into different categories that we recognize. And many of those movies ended up being referred to as "Art Film" or "Experimental". Anyway, I called this group "Asian Art Cinema" and while I was looking through some of the films I put in I found myself wondering. Is this and this film an "Asian art" film ?. And many people will probably argue and disagree with my concept or art. But being this an open group I kind of put any Asian film that I have watch. So please feel free to add films to the list even if you don't believe it is "Art" To take an example, we have "Oldboy" . I personally loved that movie. It was escene of extreme violence as well as what I consider to be extreme beauty (Hugging couple in the snow), It was a combination of sex and romance that i finded very well managed for being involved with "incest". There is Action, Comedy, Romance, Horror, Suspense, Dobule Personalities, and Detective like genre. But I still think this movie is an Art film, for his contemporary and different approach. Do you think that is art ? "In the realm of the senses" and "Lies"for example really makes people think what the whole film wanted to say or was about, apart from showing a lot of sex. Is that art ? Takashi Kitano Is one of the directors that mix the pure Art scenes by definition, with extreme violence, and it is not hard to classify "Hana Bi" (Fireworks) as an Art film. But will you say the same about his film "Violent Cop" ?So this discussion with myself is not going anywhere, but I hope you understand the confusion I have. To what point violence & Sex overcome a movie and tags it for it, How much until it goes in or out the "art" category. Is it ok to show extreme violence if is beautifully shot ? Or can we justify a rape scene by letting the rapist say a haiku ?Let me know what you think ! PD: I didn't mention western films with similar "dilemmas " like "irreversible " or "9 1/2 weeks". But I think the discussion can include same category of films even if they are not western. Ivan
]]>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:30:27 GMTDefinitions of Art. Unclassificables movies Art, Sex & Violence and othersAsian Art CinemaPersonally I often find myself trying to classify or rate a film, specially asian ones and not finding a term or a category to put it on. It is like " a wong kar wai" film. Wong Kar Wai himself is a category of his own approach to aesthetics's, or you could said a "takashi mike" film and you know you are going to expect lots of blood. But still are hard to categorized. You cannot say "The postmen in the mountain" is a father-son movie only, or that "scent of the green papaya" is maturity. Etc. I think everyone is clear that there are just movies that do not fall into a genre and explore here and there into different categories that we recognize. And many of those movies ended up being referred to as "Art Film" or "Experimental". Anyway, I called this group "Asian Art Cinema" and while I was looking through some of the films I put in I found myself wondering. Is this and this film an "Asian art" film ?. And many people will probably argue and disagree with my concept or art. But being this an open group I kind of put any Asian film that I have watch. So please feel free to add films to the list even if you don't believe it is "Art" To take an example, we have "Oldboy" . I personally loved that movie. It was escene of extreme violence as well as what I consider to be extreme beauty (Hugging couple in the snow), It was a combination of sex and romance that i finded very well managed for being involved with "incest". There is Action, Comedy, Romance, Horror, Suspense, Dobule Personalities, and Detective like genre. But I still think this movie is an Art film, for his contemporary and different approach. Do you think that is art ? "In the realm of the senses" and "Lies"for example really makes people think what the whole film wanted to say or was about, apart from showing a lot of sex. Is that art ? Takashi Kitano Is one of the directors that mix the pure Art scenes by definition, with extreme violence, and it is not hard to classify "Hana Bi" (Fireworks) as an Art film. But will you say the same about his film "Violent Cop" ?So this discussion with myself is not going anywhere, but I hope you understand the confusion I have. To what point violence & Sex overcome a movie and tags it for it, How much until it goes in or out the "art" category. Is it ok to show extreme violence if is beautifully shot ? Or can we justify a rape scene by letting the rapist say a haiku ?Let me know what you think ! PD: I didn't mention western films with similar "dilemmas " like "irreversible " or "9 1/2 weeks". But I think the discussion can include same category of films even if they are not western. Ivan 7/20/2007 9:30:27 PMPersonally I often find myself trying to classify or rate a film, specially asian ones and not finding a term or a category to put it on. It is like " a wong kar wai" film. Wong Kar Wai himself is a category of his own approach to aesthetics's, or you could said a "takashi mike" film and you know you are going to expect lots of blood. But still are hard to categorized. You cannot say "The postmen in the mountain" is a father-son movie only, or that "scent of the green papaya" is maturity. Etc. I think everyone is clear that there are just movies that do not fall into a genre and explore here and there into different categories that we recognize. And many of those movies ended up being referred to as "Art Film" or "Experimental". Anyway, I called this group "Asian Art Cinema" and while I was looking through some of the films I put in I found myself wondering. Is this and this film an "Asian art" film ?. And many people will probably argue and disagree with my concept or art. But being this an open group I kind of put any Asian film that I have watch. So please feel free to add films to the list even if you don't believe it is "Art" To take an example, we have "Oldboy" . I personally loved that movie. It was escene of extreme violence as well as what I consider to be extreme beauty (Hugging couple in the snow), It was a combination of sex and romance that i finded very well managed for being involved with "incest". There is Action, Comedy, Romance, Horror, Suspense, Dobule Personalities, and Detective like genre. But I still think this movie is an Art film, for his contemporary and different approach. Do you think that is art ? "In the realm of the senses" and "Lies"for example really makes people think what the whole film wanted to say or was about, apart from showing a lot of sex. Is that art ? Takashi Kitano Is one of the directors that mix the pure Art scenes by definition, with extreme violence, and it is not hard to classify "Hana Bi" (Fireworks) as an Art film. But will you say the same about his film "Violent Cop" ?So this discussion with myself is not going anywhere, but I hope you understand the confusion I have. To what point violence & Sex overcome a movie and tags it for it, How much until it goes in or out the "art" category. Is it ok to show extreme violence if is beautifully shot ? Or can we justify a rape scene by letting the rapist say a haiku ?Let me know what you think ! PD: I didn't mention western films with similar "dilemmas " like "irreversible " or "9 1/2 weeks". But I think the discussion can include same category of films even if they are not western. Ivan