chileexpress
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9/17/2006 12:39 AM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
I vote Independence Day ID:4 GUILTY of being the worst movie ever.
I am generally not a fan of UFO movies. I did like the Alien series and Mars Attacks. Both are fair examples of what I enjoy in a drama or comedy UFO movie.
I even enjoyed Predator as a drama / comedy and Spaced Invaders was funny.
Independence Day had many scenes that I found very distracting as so made the film less enjoyable with each one.
Some of the major problems are:
The synchronized multi televisions in the broadcast headquarters that carried the Presidents speech when the building had been emptied in panic, who or how would this be done?
The apparent complete lack of security at the base, very strange how this ultra top secrete base (not event the President knew of its existence) has everybody from the RV refugee camp running around.
The second worst has to be use of the computer “virus” to infect the alien ship computers. This is very unimaginative. I thought the Yodeling in Mars Attacks was very creative, and funny
The very worst part of this movie is the simplistic way the virus was introduced into the mother ship. I can’t get Microsoft Train Simulator to run on my Microsoft Widows XP computer and all they had to do was click a load button!
Other distractions are:
Dust on the moon vibrates the foot prints of man away as the mother ship passes by.
Good looking effect and great symbolism, but stupid.
A cable techie is the only person to find the sequential pattern imbedded in a signal?
SITI is specifically looking for such “intelligent” patterns.
Why do the aliens need to use our satellites to relay a countdown? Surly if they can cross the vast distances of space they would have accurate chronometers!
Why not use the blue beam to shoot down the Air Force attackers? Instead they used fighters themselves?
If the aliens have been studying us (abducting the pilot drunk) why would they not have a more effective way to kill us. It would be like us using a can of hair spray and a match to kill ants in an ant hill.
Initial death ray shoots down the first interstate building in LA, OK.
LA is clearly a huge city, has a localized center and one, clearly tall building, it would be natural to position over it. But, the initial death ray shoots down the Empire State Building in New York, poor. New York is clearly a huge city, Long Island is a localized center, but would not the World Trade Center be a better target for it’s height, or central park as it is the largest shape from the air?
Etc….
In an interview for Star Trek, John D. F. Black, Associate Producer said the primary rule for a science fiction writer is “Never ask your audience to believe more than one extraordinary thing.”
Independence Day has too many extraordinary things for me to believe.
So, I agree with Paul, lock it away.
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Rock
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11/27/2006 5:18 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
 spoutgirl:No, SuperTroops is the number one worst movie ever. Independence Day is like the number 3 worst movie ever. Mars Attacks is number 2. Just to clarify.
Ouch, how can you say that about a GREAT FILM devouted to those 1950's B SCI Fi classic films? Mars Attacks epitomizes the spirit and fun of a 1950's B Rate SCI Fi film. No, they didn't give character development, budget, writting, etc.. of a Hollywood A list movie. But they were so funny and outlandish. This movie is in honor of those films. I'm shocked you didn't like it for that value alone.
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Rock
Posts 45
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11/27/2006 5:30 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
chileexpress: I vote Independence Day ID:4 GUILTY of being the worst movie ever.
Too much to list
There is so much to pick apart. But I will take some highlights.
The very worst part of this movie is the simplistic way the virus was introduced into the mother ship. I can’t get Microsoft Train Simulator to run on my Microsoft Widows XP computer and all they had to do was click a load button!
Well they used a MAC laptop. It was a funny against Microsoft and their followers. It was also a MAC is so good that it works with Alien hardware. Goes back to the days of RISC vs CISC based processing.
A cable techie is the only person to find the sequential pattern imbedded in a signal?
SITI is specifically looking for such “intelligent” patterns.
You missed the part where he was an MIT graduate that was smart enough to work anywhere but was too lazy to try.
Why do the aliens need to use our satellites to relay a countdown? Surly if they can cross the vast distances of space they would have accurate chronometers!
Since it's the typical hierarchical management it requires one brain to control multiple hoards. If you are not sure what I am refereing to, read about The Soviet Union during the cold war and their military tactics. You will understand then. And even with advanced technology (something never really explained or argued in Star Trek) is how you deal with line of sight communications. How do you communicate with another ship when there is a planet between you?
Why not use the blue beam to shoot down the Air Force attackers? Instead they used fighters themselves?
Um, how would you? It fires straight down and is slow. That would be like using a Coastal Gun Implacement used to take out Battleships to shoot down a plane. That isn't what that weapon was designed for.
Sorry, basic logic was missing on these and hence was miss understood in the movie. My brain hurts. I'm going to go lay down.
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KatiesFlicks
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11/28/2006 7:03 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
Sorry, this may not have been a great film, but worst movie ever?
Hardly. I enjoyed Independence Day, it had a few laughs, decent
special effects and I don't care if the characters weren't all that
well developed, it was non-stop action. Do not impeach!
Also, I can't even believe Mars Attacks was listed throughout here as comparable to ID:4, I couldn't stop laughing during
Mars Attacks. It was so ridiculous, it was absolutely hilarious.
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wandering_minst rel36
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7/2/2007 3:35 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
I agree that it isn't the worst movie. Independence Day is a classic example of a great bad movie.It's very entertaining and most of all it wasn't attempting to pass as a great cinematic victory. It's sole purpose was to be a patriotic outlet for people on the fourth of July so they didn't haveto spend their whole day pretending to have fun with annoying relatives at the annual barbeque. I realize that this is a terrible generalization and appologize to those few people who do have fun at those get-togethers (clearly you are not hosting them). But I digress. To conclude, I believe that ID:4 accomplishes what it set out to do brilliantly and should be treated as a classic airline film.
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pippin06
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7/2/2007 3:55 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
I don't know where the jury stands on ID:4 (looks like the guilty verdicts have more of the vote), but I vote that this is the best reply to this post! Too funny, minstrel.
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joem18b
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7/2/2007 5:12 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
zuzu: And what was with that scene in the tunnel where the (I think) woman was trying to outrun a bomb explosion?
ID is actually on my Top 5 Trying-to-outrun-a-fireball list.
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davisfreeberg
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7/3/2007 4:41 PM
posted awhile ago
Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
ID was a controversially film for our group, but at the end, there were enough not guilty votes to make this one an acquital. I'll add it to the list of movies set free and everyone can watch it this fourth and not feel any guilt over supporting a bad movie. There were many different opinons about the film, but overall, I think most of the group agree d that while it had it's bad moments, it also had some good parts too.
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ShuffleUp
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9/16/2007 12:21 AM
posted awhile ago
Re:Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
although this certainly wouldn't be in my list of 10 deepest films, i don't think it merits the worst movie ever category either. There was considerable entertainment value in this movie... I thought the dynamics between will smith and jeff goldblume were exceptional in spots.
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magrebi
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10/1/2007 4:33 PM
posted awhile ago
Re:Re: Independence Day Faces Impeachment For Being Lackluster
gonna throw in a late vote of not guilty... yeah, if you didn't enjoy this movie or if you didn't have a crack in your rock hard forwning face, you must ask yourself where your childhood imagination went!? maybe it wasn't great but serisouly this isn't that bad...
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