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Re: How things should work and how they do.
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AndyLaBryn
AndyLaBryn
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How things should work and how they do.



My wife and I were having a conversation about how some movies go to the extent to show their characters going through the normal run of daily life. Like going to the bathroom, eating meals, dialing the phone before they talk, closing doors, actually showing pain after something painful happens.

 

I always said, If I made a movie, I would be strict to the details.

 

Who can list some movies that do the best job at paying attention to the details.



     

            
quint
quint
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Leaving doors open has always bothered me. I realize the camera needs to pass through, but little details like that always jump me out of the narrative and back to the realization that this is only a movie. French New Wave flicks play with this, sometimes to good effect. Godard is perhaps overly concerned with reminding us that we are watching a movie. Not that there is anything wrong with that self-consciousness in a film. If it is accidental though, that sucks.

I was thinking about Spielberg and the movie Munich. There is a film that does alot of camera dancing. The camera tracks a person coming out of a door and getting into a car. But it is all traced across the myriad reflections on a busy street. It's a virtuoso thing that creates another self-conscious moment. Everything is perfect, every detail, and that is as foreign to reality as Godard's self-conscious nods to the camera.





     
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Munich  (2005)

            
Risselada
Risselada
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AndyLaBryn:

My wife and I were having a conversation about how some movies go to the extent to show their characters going through the normal run of daily life. Like going to the bathroom, eating meals, dialing the phone before they talk, closing doors, actually showing pain after something painful happens.

 

I always said, If I made a movie, I would be strict to the details.

 

Who can list some movies that do the best job at paying attention to the details.

I'd say the Itallian Neorealism movement would be a lot like what you are talking about.  Films directed by Vittorio DeSica are my favorite.  Check out Umberto D.

This just in general seems like a quality of artistic narrative films rather than commercial ones.  With Hollywood you are going to get right to the action, the exciting plot, the real drama.  European and independent films are more likely to take their time showing real life.  It can be brilliant or painful to watch depending on the filmmaker and what they feel like they are doing by showing you these details.

I could list countless others.  I'm curious to hear what some examples that you were thinking of when you wrote this first.



     
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Umberto D.  (1955)

            
AndyLaBryn
AndyLaBryn
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Well, anytime I see a bad action or drama, usually from the 80s or 90s, they never seem to care to keep events and repercussions consistant. Someone will be running in the rain, and once they enter a building or enclosure, nothing about them is wet anymore. Or someone will be driving at a normal pace, stop somewhere and walk away from the car with the lights on and door open. It's not like they're running away or in some hurried pace, they just overlook it because it's not real life, its a movie.

I notice a lot of american films, pre 1980s, do a decent job of keep things honest. Omega Man suprised me a couple of times, the fact that they showed him take his gas can from one car to the next near the beginning. Now sure, you can say they added a scene like that to help illustrate his dire situation, but the fact that they included it puts a better feel to the film. Unfortunately, while watching and pointing that out, something completely ridiculous would happen.

All the scenes in Rocky keep a pretty stern realism, which suprises me, because it's the type of film you'd expect mistakes to happen.

Once I get away from the workplace more stuff will come to mind for a better explanation.



     

            
Risselada
Risselada
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Have you ever heard of Andrew Bujalski?  I haven't seen any of his movies, but I've heard they are very realistic in a certain way in regards to a certain culture.  Two of his movies are Funny Ha Ha and Mutual Appreciation

     
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Funny Ha Ha  (2003)

            
lukasblu
lukasblu
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A while back ,i saw a film starring vincent donfrio called Guy;Its a about a camera person that follows and films a random stranger named Guy everywhere.The cameraperson films guy  in times of his privacy;Things starts going downhil for Guy and the cameraperson just will not stop filming.The movie ends with a weird twist ;And not til the near ending,& things go a bit out of hand with Guy ,do you even find out who the camera person is.The movie has a story/script that i have not seen before in cinema;at least not exactly like it.Has anyone else seen this movie??? and what would your opinion would be of this movie????I liked this movie

     
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Guy  (1996)

            
danheat
danheat
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I've seen Funny Ha Ha and it was pretty good.  Very low-budget and on the indie side, with the characters acting like real people to a considerable degree.  Things that usually don't make it into movies (like characters saying "i have to go to the bathroom") occur a lot here.  Also, most of the characters (particularly the guy played by the director) are neurotic, which could charm or annoy you depending on your viewpoint. 

I would recommend checking this movie out because Bujalski has a unique style and is a director to watch.  I have not seen Mutual Appreciation, but have heard it's a better film. 



     

            
joem18b
joem18b
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A reminder that FilmCouch #24 is about "mumblecore." Bujalski is one of the principal mumblecore directors. On its face, a movie like Mutual Appreciation is quite realistic, but since it's by, for, and about twenty-somethings, it can only be as realistic as they are.

     

            
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