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For those who like to ask "what if...?" What if Pulp Fiction had been released in 1975? What if The Matrix we know is a remake; what would the original be like? Beware the cute baby orangutan, he's deadly and on the loose. You can read about him in the "Huxley: scourge or blessing?" entry of the "Movies Thrown Into the Past" discussion.

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SkyPilot
SkyPilot
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I've noticed that some video games are being made out of interesting, not-so-obvious-choice movies: The Godfather, Reservoir Dogs, Dirty Harry.  What movie-***-video** games would you like to play?

I'd like to try a LOTR strategy game designed like Rome: Total War.   It's like a cross between Risk and Warcraft.

Maybe "Hero" could make an interesting fighting game (think Street Fighter II or SoulCaliber).

Too bad "Spartacus" was never a side-scrolling actioner like Double Dragon.  But I can see how a kid who beat the game would feel ripped off by having a crucifixion in the resolution.

Here's ANOTHER QUESTION:  Has a good movie ever been made from a video game?  I haven't seen Doom, but I heard it was lackluster.  And I can't remember anything about that Final Fantasy movie except that Steve Buscemi was one of the voices. 

**I think this is funny for two reasons:  (1) this acceptable Latin preposition was bleeped out because it looks obscene, but I found out that (2) I used it incorrectly.  It means "together with; plus" according to the American Heritage Dictionary.  So maybe this site is censoring bad grammar?  An innovative move, Spout!



     

            
paul
paul
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Minus the groundbreaking rendering of skin pores, Final Fantasy was a completely forgettable movie.

I notice any film with a lot of gunplay is fair for video game translation. Why can't we have more adult video games from movies? Like a Sim City type game for the characters in Requiem for a Dream or Permanent Midnight? It's the perfect past-time for those people who take on rehabbing human beings as fixer-upper projects.


     
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porcupine
porcupine
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hey guys, it's me, the kev, here on spout at last.

about that LOTR strategy game, i believe it exists, and i think Mark has it. i was in Best Buy yesterday looking at the PC game section and saw a title called Battle for Middle Earth II, it looked like what you're describing. probably worth checking out.

i would LOVE to see World of Warcraft made into a movie. and the time is now. while this would excite me greatly, it' very possible that it would be a dissapointment. the problem is this: over six million people play WoW, which is a pretty big target market, but to make the movie right they'd have to pour tons of money into it and aim for big-time box office success (a la LOTR). But then they'd have to spend a lot of time explaining things to the uninitiated. example: i regretably rented the second Dungeons and Dragons movie. they spent several scenes on agonizingly stiff dialogue explaining everything from what a rogue is to the difference between arcane and divine magic. this would have been useful to those watching the movie who don't play the game, but absolutely no one fits that description. so I, and all the other nerds duped into renting it, had to sit through lengthy explainations of things we already knew by heart.

i've never actaully read the LOTR trilogy, but they seem to have avoided this fate. then again, going from book to movie has a lot of precedent (and a lot more character depth, generally).

     

            
SkyPilot
SkyPilot
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Dear Porcupine,

A WoW movie would excite me too, but I believe taking the big-budget, LOTR-type route would end up with a flop.  I'm willing to bet that many of the six million players of WoW know how to (or already have) downloaded pirated copies of movies.  That's why I recommend to all producer-types reading this: make an animated movie that pulls no punches.  Get vocal talent that matches the cast of the old Transformers movie. 

On the subject of animated movies, I would like to see a 'cartoon' that continues the Predators' story after the end of Alien vs. Predator.  Kind of like Alien, only with battle-harded Predators being preyed upon!  



     

            
SkyPilot
SkyPilot
Posts 576

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This is funny Paul, but also a genuinely interesting idea for a Sims expansion pack. 

     

            
porcupine
porcupine
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here's another idea to make the WoW movie more managable: don't make it epic. what if, rather than make a movie about a whole big world and every huge thing that's happening in it and populating it with stiff bit-palyers, they make a movie that's character driven and the fantasy setting is just a given. you know, this is Kram Ogal, he's just you're average orc, and he has feeling and problems of his own, despite the invasion of the Burning Legion.

this might be a really bad idea.

     

            
SkyPilot
SkyPilot
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I think it could also be a good idea.  It could still be violent (which we need to admit is a big selling point for  movies like this), but it could be on a smaller scale.  Maybe Kram could be a private detective?  That would be an interested genre-hybrid:  Fantasy Noir. 

What might be really challenging, but potentially very rewarding (?), is an allegorical comedy-drama about issues that concern us all.  It just happens to be set in the Shire, which is occasionally punctuated by Troll violence.

Some scholars believe that the monsters in Beowulf represent very concrete issues the people were struggling with at the time:  Grendel = Disagreement & Homicide, the Dragon = Fate.  

What do we use in film these days to take the place of monsters?  What has changed?  



     

            
Risselada
Risselada
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SkyPilot:
I've noticed that some video games are being made out of interesting, not-so-obvious-choice movies: The Godfather, Reservoir Dogs, Dirty Harry.  What movie-***-video games would you like to play?

 

I'm just wondering if you could get a kid to start playing a game version of 2001: A Space Odyssey.  Would they be disappointed when it wasn't quite like Star Wars Rogue Squadron?  And will they actually be able to beat the game when they realize the final challenge will be to sit in front of the screen for fifteen hours while they are subjected to what may be seizure inducing images of varying colors and textures?

How about this one "You are Fitzcarraldo.  Your mad dream of building an opera house in the middle of a South American jungle forces you to take the wakiest and wildest boat ride of your life.  Let's go off roadin!"

or My Dinner With Andre: the game.  "Play as every kid's hero, Wallace Shawn, at an intense dinner situation where it is up to you to stear the conversation into the most exciting direction possible, or else Andre may get angry"

Or a game based on 12 Angry Men.  The game starts out and you watch a courtroom trial as a member of a jury.  Then you go into the jury room where all eleven other jury members are dead set on a certain verdict.  It's your job to break them down and expose their predjudices and bring them around.  There's also a pathos meter for how much hidden past and emotion you can pull from your fellow jury members.

I think a game of Blake Edwards' The Party may be pretty fun actually.  Just walk around the party as Hrundi Baskhi and see how much of a mess and comotion you can cause.  You could also use this game engine for a game about Monsieur Hulot.

 

Ok I don't think any of those options are actually very likely.  But some movies that I could actually see becoming successful movies would be Wages of Fear, any action movie by Seijun Suzuki, or maybe a game based on Italian giallo movies.

 

SkyPilot:
Here's ANOTHER QUESTION:  Has a good movie ever been made from a video game?  I haven't seen Doom, but I heard it was lackluster.  And I can't remember anything about that Final Fantasy movie except that Steve Buscemi was one of the voices.

I've never seen it, but I heard a lot of people like Resident Evil.  But mostly movies based off of video games have all been total trash.  Actually Mortal Kombat was kind of fun.

 

As for potential movies made from video games, I'd love to see some stuff made from the Lucas Arts adventures games like Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, or Full Throttle.



     
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Fitzcarraldo  (1982)

The Party  (1968)

12 Angry Men  (1957)

Mortal Kombat  (1995)

Resident Evil  (2002)

            
Ryuukuro
Ryuukuro
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Final Fantasy?  That was a good movie on certain levels (no pun intended) but it had only a passing resemblance to the games--it had no chocobos or magic or androgenous teenagers--so it really doesn't count.  It would have done better had they not used the Final Fantasy name.

I'm still waiting for someone to buy the rights to develop The Legend of Zelda into a quality film franchise.  If someone takes that movie and figures out a way to make a story out of the characters and themes but ditches the structure of the games in favor of drama and adventure then they could have another Lord of the Rings on their hands.

I also want to see someone take another stab at a Super Mario Bros movie, but that would have to be animated.  I have this crazy dream of Pixar or Dreamworks Animation using the Mario license to make a fun, tongue-in-cheek video game parody.

As for movies being made into games?  Just out of curiosity, I'd like to see a quality game house try a Hitchcock video game.  Not something based on a particular Hitchcock film but a pastiche using Hitch's favorite themes: murder, deception, sexual taboos (but nothing that would garner an M rating),  and mysterious blonde beauties.



     

            
Risselada
Risselada
Posts 2068

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Wow some great ideas here.  Now that I think about it I'm surprised that neither a Zelda/Link movie nor a Hitchcock game has been made already.  They both sound like real potential huge sucesses.



     

            
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