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KATTmandu
KATTmandu
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Sicko



I know it's been out for well over a month now, but who has seen Michael Moore's Sicko and what did you think of it?

     
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Sicko  (2007)

            
Risselada
Risselada
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Re: Sicko



strangeframe:
Seen it. I thought it had great moments and the point was indeed made (I felt like leaving the country!). I laughed. I cried. I knew most of what he was showing, but he still could get to my emotional buttons. I did wonder why he didn't go to the Scandinavian countries since they have the best national healthcare programs. 

I don't want to go into detail if you haven't seen it. 

Still think his best film was Roger & Me. 

One of the things that wigs me out about documentarians (myself included), is that our subjects are used (shot, edited, and packaged) to create an emotional response. With a fictional piece, it seems ethically in the clear, but in non-fiction it seems dicey. Even when your intentions are all in the right place, it still seems "off" to turn a camera on a person who is crying. I stopped shooting news over a decade ago because of that. Too many crying mothers with dead children - the nightly news seems to live for that. Ugh!

Roger & Me is my favorite Moore film too.  I think because when he made it he was totally unknown and making this movie totally out of his own frustration.  He was a part of that Flint community and was speaking for real friends that he knew.  And he didn't have any money probably and who knows if anyone would have seen the movie.

Now the guy is just a big and powerful of a figure as the people he is going against in his movies though.  And I don't know about Sicko, but his other documentaries have attacked specific people in ways that don't always seem helpful.  He also obviously manipulates you and even if he says he doesn't lie or use fake facts in his movies, he presents everything to you in a way that you can make false assumptions.  I found his TV shows like The Awful Truth to be much more effective.  Maybe he works better in a shorter time format where he can stick to one simple idea and make it poignant and funny.  It seems like things get a little out of control in his feature length films.

 

I agree with you about the thing with the crying mother and the nightly news.  Most news broadcasts and publications just make me sick.  They are full of fear and exploitation.  It's not going to stop though so I guess I just have to recognize it and not get continually pissed off by it.



     
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Roger & Me  (1989)

Sicko  (2007)

            
tmoney
tmoney
Posts 181

Re: Sicko



Michael Moore's films always raise important issues.  It is just too bad how manipulative his style is.  I liked Sicko very much, and in fact found it to be one of his more straight forward films. 

The problem with Roger and Me (and all of Moore's films actually) is his sequencing of events.  He shows event "B" as a result of "A" when the two aren't related.  For example, take nearly every "consequence of GM's plant layoffs" that Moore portrays in the film.  Regean visiting, a mall being built, a hotel being built, a museum, a new sloagan, etc.  Every single one of those events happened months to years before the layoff even happened.  So his entire premise is false that GM devistated the town in a single blow.  But is the issue of layoffs important, and being an advocate for the poor? OF COURSE!  So why does Moore have to use his talents to create fiction?!

And BFC, all the ruckus about Charlton Heston coming to Denver after the Columbine shootings is wrong. He cancelled his rallies, and the footage is shown from an entirely different speech.  Heston's reaction was actually very touching and sympathetic to the families.  

So despite how good his films are and how important the issues, audiences need to remember how manipulative documentary film can be.  The term "documentary" is not a free pass to believe everything you see.  

(I've written several ten page papers for film classes on Moore.  I'm full of Moore facts.)

Finally, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I really liked Sicko.


     

            
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