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SkyPilot
SkyPilot
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A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



You'll find the winners of our new pack of Reservoir Dogs contest at the end of this thread and on this week's Filmspotting podcast.

hang loose,

skypilot

______________________

In honor of Heath Ledger's irreplaceable role as the Joker, we've picked the most difficult recasting game we could think of: recast Reservoir Dogs. Switching out Keitel or Buscemi is like putting on a new pair of shoes that are filled with swamp water. I don't even know exactly what that means, but the point is, it would feel really wrong.

 

Harvey Keitel          ...        Mr. White

Tim Roth             ...          Mr. Orange

Michael Madsen         ...            Mr. Blonde

Chris Penn             ...            Nice Guy Eddie

Steve Buscemi         ...           Mr. Pink

Lawrence Tierney      ...         Joe Cabot

Quentin Tarantino      ...         Mr. Brown

Edward Bunker           ...            Mr. Blue

Kirk Baltz       ...          Young Cop (gets ear cut off)

Steven Wright           ...         K-Billy DJ

 

Extra points for replacing "Stuck in the Middle With You" with an inspirational ear-chopping tune.



     

            
theunemployedshortstop
theunemployedsh ortstop
Posts 22

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



 

RESERVOIR DOGS (re-titled The Wolves of Gomorrah Gorge) an Anthony Mann film

 

 

Gary Cooper          ...        Mr. White (Timber Wolf)

Montgomery Clift             ...          Mr. Orange (Cub)

Jack Palance         ...            Mr. Blonde (Coyote)

Dennis O’Keefe / Lauren Bacall             ...            Nice Guy Eddy (Cow Puncher Bob / Grifter Gurdy)

Dino (that’s right DEAN MARTIN)         ...           Mr. Pink (Skunk)

Jimmy Stewart      ...         Joe Cabot

Ralph Meeker      ...         Mr. Brown (Hyena)

Walter Brennen           ...            Mr. Blue (Grey Wolf)

Alfred Ryder       ...          Young Cop (gets ear cut off) (Deputy who gets his ear cut off… off camera [covered in illusive dialog])

John Huston           ...         K-Billy DJ (Telegraph Operator)

 

Ward Bond                    Holdaway (Mr. Orange’s Undercover training officer)  (Sheriff Holdaway)

 

Hank Worden                    Bumbling Train Operator

 

Directed by Anthony Mann.  Screen Story by Tarantino.  Screen Play by Carl Foreman and Leigh Bracket.  Music by Dimitri Tiomkin (featuring the song “The Cautionary Ballad of the Scavengers of Dry Gorge” Music by Tiompkin lyrics by Woody Guthrie, sung by Dean Martin) Miss Bacall’s wardrobe by Edith Head.

 

To put it simply this is the Magnificent Seven Thieves  (Long before the Mag 7). 

 

A LONG explanation to come…



     

            
theunemployedshortstop
theunemployedsh ortstop
Posts 22

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



The Epic Tale of "The Wolves of Gomorrah Gorge." 

 

The Conceit:  Due to a trans-dimensional rift caused by the AWESOMENESS of the Inglorious Bastards screenplay Quentin Tarantino is able to jump into a dimension where the world is perpetually in the early fifties.  The impish auteur (also great collaborator) is eager to see what some of his favorite directors and writers would do with his material.  He gives a vague outline of Reservoir Dogs to Carl Foreman.  Bitter over the HUAC hearings of 1947, Forman takes the idea of the mole cop and turns it into a commentary on witch hunting (like the Crucible set in the American West… with action and no weeping, whining, or three hour yawn-fest… just kidding).

Production:  The studio loved the concept and saw Anthony Mann as the director.  His surprising presentation of the morally grey double agents in T – Men and his success as a visual director of both noir and westerns would yield a fantastic visual motif.  Foreman set the film in an abandoned camp… rumored to have once been a lush valley, the area is now a barren gorge of salt (Hence Gomorrah Gorge though the studio would want to back off of this title… hence the title of Guthrie's song).   Mann shot the film in the Colombia River Gorge and the surrounding desert like region of Eastern Washington.  It was more visually arresting than the Rocky Mountain back drop of The Naked Spur.

Rewrites:  Leigh Brackett (script doctor supreme: The Big Sleep, Rio Bravo, The Empire Strikes Back) is hired to tone down the political commentary and add some sex appeal.  Miss Brackett split the role of Nice Guy Eddy (now Cow Puncher Bob) into two roles:  Two siblings competing for their father's approval (much like Duel in the Sun) Cow Puncher Bob, a slick but incompetent rustler, and Grifter Gurdy, modeled after Lauren Bacall's con women / gambler characters from To Have and Have Not and The Big Sleep.  The love triangle between Cub, Timber Wolf, and Grifter Gurdy pleased the studio (however they were angered when they saw Anthony Mann's finished product because of the homosexual overtones that Clift brought out in the mentor relationship between Cub and Timber Wolf).

Casting:

Gary Cooper as Mr. White/ Timber Wolf:  Cooper's leadership and bravery in taking a role that John Wayne thought was un-American is stellar, comparable only to his work on High Noon.  Cooper's earnest desire to save the dying "Cub" is palpable.  And his seeming asexuality highlights Clift's subversive performance.

Montgomery Clift as Mr. Orange / Cub:  Mann chose Clift because of the actor's work in Red River.  His youth and energy light up as the conflicted double agent.  And the women love him in those chaps (this is why the studio eventually shelved the film, which was never to see the light of day)

Jack Palance as Mr. Blonde / Coyote:  Actor Alan Ladd happened to see the dailies of The Wolves of Gomorrah Gorge before the studio locked them away.  The star was so impressed by Palance's cool contained rage that he forced Shane director George Stevens to put Palance on the short list for the role of Jack Wilson.  The rest, as they say, is history

Denis O'Keefe / Loren Bacall as Nice Guy Eddy / Cow Puncher Bob / Grifter Gurdy:  O'Keefe's star had fallen a bit after poor reviews of Mann's Raw Deal.  Mann liked to see the suave actor portray slick con men (part of his role in T – Men) so he snuck him into the film despite argument from the studio.  Bacall was obvious due to Brackett's revisions, however Jennifer Jones was considered until Mann saw and disliked her in King Vidor's Duel in the Sun.

Dean Martin as Mr. Pink / Skunk:  Martin was originally offered the role of Coyote.  Mann thought his cool domineer would create great contrast between the perception of the character and his violent actions.  Dean Martin's record label was afraid that their star was being derogatively stereotyped… an Italian in the role of an evil thief, gangster and ear removing murderer (though Frank thought it would be o.k.).  Dino opted to go with the drunken comic relief instead.  The scene during the second act brake where he belts out "The Ballad of the Scavengers of Dry Gorge" to the nervous thieves pined down in the gorge by the Cavalry (eerily similar to a scene in Rio Bravo) is something I wish all could see.  In the time line of the story this is where Coyote removes the young deputy's ear… off camera and covered in vague dialog.

Jimmy Stewart as Joe Cabot.  As always the elder statesmen Stewart gave his all in a both commanding and haunting performance as the ring leader of the train robbery gang (this would be the beginning of the psychologically conflicted, obsessive characters Stewart would be remembered for: Vertigo and The Naked Spur).  Only Jimmy Stewart could corral these wild wolves.  Though on the set for just a few days this cameo would prove to form a lasting friendship and yield much collaboration between Mann and Stewart.

Ralph Meeker as Mr. Brown / Hyena:  Ah crazy Ralph Meeker.  I think if you watch Kiss Me Deadly or The Naked Spur you can see why he would be fantastic spouting off long, near incoherent, hyper macho dialog trying to get approval from the other thieves.  He's a forgotten American treasure (And from MPLS!!!

Walter Brennen as Mr. Blue / Grey Wolf:  It's hard to imagine a western with out Walter Brennen playing the old coot that tells the hero they are full of it.  In this film he is taunting poor Dean Martin for his alcohol problems:

            Joe Cabot (Jimmy Stewart):  And you're Skunk.

            Skunk (Dean Martin):  AH… now that ain't even a Wolf, Joe?!

            Grey Wolf (Walter Brennen):  Ye don't gits ta be no Wolf cas' ya stink ta' high heaven boy.  (High pitch HEYUCK sound… repeat).  Meebe if ya lay of that HOOCH ya could be a wolf.  Right now yas just a smelly varmint (continues laughing).

            Skunk (Dean Martin):  Ah cram it old timer!  (Skunk shoots at Grey Wolf and misses).

            Joe Cabot (Jimmy Stewart):  Knock it off you two!  Now (stutter) Now where was I… oh yeah the train.

Alfred Ryder as Young Cop who gets his ear cut off (Deputy who gets his ear cut off… off camera [revealed in illusive dialog]):  Alfred Ryder played the other undercover agent in Anthony Mann's T – Men.  His character is found out and killed by the gangsters he is trying to infiltrate.  His ability to show both competence as an agent for the government and fear as a mortal in trouble is HAUNTING.

Ward Bond as Holdaway (Mr. Orange's Undercover training officer) (Sheriff Holdaway):  Much like Walter Brennen, it's not a great western unless you've got Ward Bond (high school football team mate of John Wayne, famous for his roles in many of Wayne's films such as the Calvary Captain/ Reverend Samuel Johnston Clayton in The Searchers).  Carl Foreman envisioned this part as a Fortinbras like character that the thieves would talk about but would only appear on screen a few times to create suspense.  Sheriff Holdaway leads the posse that traps the bandits in Gomorrah Gorge, which forces Cub, Timber Wolf, and Grifter Gurdy to play their final hands. 

Hank Worden as Bumbling Train Operator:  Foreman didn't go for the flash back structure of Tarantino's outline.  His story is much more linear, leaving Cub's allegiance a mystery.  He replaces the drawn out training sequence in Reservoir Dogs with the train heist that Tarantino was too cleaver to bother with.  It was played for both laughs and action.  Most of the laughs came from Hank Worden who some of you will remember as Mose Harper in The Searchers ("thank you… thaaank you kindly"), but more of you will remember as senior drool cup (ancient room service guy) in Twin Peaks ("thank you… thaaank you kindly"). 

 

That's it.  Thanks for reading all of this non-sense.



     
Under discussion:

The Big Sleep  (1946)

Duel in the Sun  (1946)

High Noon  (1952)

Kiss Me Deadly  (1955)

The Naked Spur  (1953)

Red River  (1948)

Rio Bravo  (1959)

The Searchers  (1956)

Shane  (1953)

T-Men  (1947)

Vertigo  (1958)

Raw Deal  (1948)

The Crucible  (1996)

            
Risselada
Risselada
Posts 1532

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



I'm not even going to touch this one.  It used to be one of my aboslute favorite movies.  Still is I guess.  Even though when I watch it now I realize the acting really isn't THAT superb.  Some of the dialogue sounds weird, but you know it was perfect for what it was.  Like all of Tarantino's movies it's already a remake of a hundred other movies, but somehow you just couldn't remake it again.  Because it was his first film, and the film that sort of opened everyone up to this kind of film dork emulation style of filmmaking.  And as much as it seems like Tarantino has a real knack for writing dialogue, if you really listen to it all of the characters are just Quentin Tarantino anyways.



     

            
Cammmalot
Cammmalot
Posts 9

RESERVOIR *STRAW* DOGS



As much as I love this movie it's fascinating to ponder what would have happened if the script had fallen into Sam Peckinpah's lap circa '69-'74

Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973)

Kris has enough of that fatherly/mentor vibe to have pulled this off.  I would love to hear his version of the let's go get a taco speech.

The Getaway (1972)  Junior Bonner (1972)

Now this would have been something to see.  I think this would have been a cross between Bullit & Junior Bonner.  How would he have done the commode story?

Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973)

This would have been fantastic.  "Are you gonna bark all day little doggie...or are you gonna bite."

 

The Wild Bunch (1969)

Of all the Peckinpah ensemble this one's the no brainer.  Right out of the wild bunch and into the wearhouse.  He just grabbed the diamonds and split!? I'm right about that, that's your story?

 

The Wild Bunch (1969)

Okay, this one's a different vibe.  Holden would still explore all the angles but in a much less manic way.  Those discussions would involve a whole new layer of tension.

Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973)

...And the vibe change continues....at first this choice seemed a bit odd but I really think Robards would have come at it in a much different , yet powerful manner.  I can totally hear his voice and inflection on the "So you guys like to fool around and tell jokes" speech. 

 

The Getaway (1972)

This is probably my favorite choice.  Just think of Slim's supply pack speech in Strangelove and now picture him saying, "Now let me tell you all what Like a Virgins about."

Convoy (1978)

So Bunker is a fantastic in the know cameo..so I just connected look and demeanor.....and I'd put Seymour in any movie!

Major Dundee (1965)

Yes, yes, YES!  I so want to hear heston say "..and if your the 12th caller you'll win 2 tickets to the monster truck extraveganza being held tonight at the carson fairgrounds featuring Big Daddy Don Bodean's truck "The Bohemiath"  The 12th caller wins on the station where the 70's survived KBILLY....It's made of PEOPLE!

Straw Dogs (1971)    Marathon Man (1976)

What can I say.....When in Rome.

Actually it would be fascinating to hear Hoffman's voice scream, "He cut off my 'effin ear man!"

 

Cam

 

 



     
Under discussion:

Convoy  (1978)

The Getaway  (1972)

Junior Bonner  (1972)

Major Dundee  (1965)

Marathon Man  (1976)

Straw Dogs  (1971)

The Wild Bunch  (1969)

            
standalonematt
standalonematt
Posts 4

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



Resevoir Dogs - African-American version

to be directed by Spike Lee

 

Ving Rhames         ...        Mr. White (Can play experienced and wise)

Rob Brown             ...          Mr. Orange(Young guy, can probably do it)

Wesley Snipes         ...            Mr. Blonde(Can be intimidating and crazy)

Snoop Dogg            ...            Nice Guy Eddie(Can be dopey and age appropriate)

Chris Tucker         ...           Mr. Pink (It fits)

Richard Roundtree      ...         Joe Cabot(Old enough, but not frail enough to not be considered dangerous)

Spike Lee      ...         Mr. Brown(Director for director)

Delroy Lindo           ...            Mr. Blue (Tall, experienced, etc)

Derek Luke       ...          Young Cop (gets ear cut off)(again age is right and he could do it)

Chris Rock ... Radio DJ (not as sedated as wright, but who is, but old enough to know the songs and I can see him as a DJ)

Song .... "Let's get it on" by Marvin Gaye - kinda a double meaning there.



     

            
jdamer83
jdamer83
Posts 6

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



Actually, to point out an error, the young cop was played by Kirk Baltz, not Lawrence Bender.

SkyPilot:

In honor of Heath Ledger's irreplaceable role as the Joker, we've picked the most difficult recasting game we could think of: recast Reservoir Dogs. Switching out Keitel or Buscemi is like putting on a new pair of shoes that are filled with swamp water. I don't even know exactly what that means, but the point is, it would feel really wrong.

 

Harvey Keitel          ...        Mr. White

Tim Roth             ...          Mr. Orange

Michael Madsen         ...            Mr. Blonde

Chris Penn             ...            Nice Guy Eddie

Steve Buscemi         ...           Mr. Pink

Lawrence Tierney      ...         Joe Cabot

Quentin Tarantino      ...         Mr. Brown

Edward Bunker           ...            Mr. Blue

Lawrence Bender       ...          Young Cop (gets ear cut off)

Steven Wright           ...         K-Billy DJ

 

Extra points for replacing "Stuck in the Middle With You" with an inspirational ear-chopping tune.



     

            
jdamer83
jdamer83
Posts 6

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



Because I want to ring this bell first, I have another re-casting.  This time without a parallel universe context.

RESEVOIR DOGS as 1940s/1950s B-movie Film Noir:

The Mix-Up

Starring:

 

John Garfield

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

John Garfield as Mr. White

 

 

Dana Andrews 

 

Dana Andrews as Mr. Orange

 

 

Lee Marvin 

Lee Marvin as Mr. Blonde

 

Lawrence Tierney  

Lawrence Tierney as Nice Guy Eddie (basically, the actual Mr. Cabot gets demoted to be second-in-command).

 

Timothy Carey

 

Timothy Carey as Mr. Pink

 

Lee J. Cobb

 

Lee J. Cobb as Joe Cabot 

 

Ricardo Montalban 

Ricardo Montalban as Mr. Brown (why?  Because instead of Tarantino, I would like a hammy actor who I like watching to play Mr. Brown.  But for the sake of political correctness, his name might have to be changed to something else.)

 

John Carradine

 

John Carradine as Mr. Blue

Elisha Cook Jr.

 

Elisha Cook Jr. as Young Cop  (because he always gets the short end of the stick).

 

Sam Fuller

 

Sam Fuller as K-Billy DJ (I would just love to hear how he sounds as a disc jockey).

 

And my pick for an "inspirational ear-chopping tune"?

 

"Sing Sing Sing" by Benny Goodman



     

            
cinechic
cinechic
Posts 3

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



SkyPilot:

In honor of Heath Ledger's irreplaceable role as the Joker, we've picked the most difficult recasting game we could think of: recast Reservoir Dogs. Switching out Keitel or Buscemi is like putting on a new pair of shoes that are filled with swamp water. I don't even know exactly what that means, but the point is, it would feel really wrong.

 

Harvey Keitel          ...        Mr. White

Tim Roth             ...          Mr. Orange

Michael Madsen         ...            Mr. Blonde

Chris Penn             ...            Nice Guy Eddie

Steve Buscemi         ...           Mr. Pink

Lawrence Tierney      ...         Joe Cabot

Quentin Tarantino      ...         Mr. Brown

Edward Bunker           ...            Mr. Blue

Lawrence Bender       ...          Young Cop (gets ear cut off)

Steven Wright           ...         K-Billy DJ

 

Extra points for replacing "Stuck in the Middle With You" with an inspirational ear-chopping tune.

Oh boy, this is tough. this is the movie that got me into movies. But here we go.

 

Reservoir Dogs: A Documentary on the New American Cinema

16 years ago in 1992, a young, hot director released a critically acclaimed pseudo-documentary. Combining archival footage, newly filmed interviews, and original material from his own unsuccessful film, Quentin Tarantino created something that nobody had ever seen before. For each of the characters in his original film, Tarantino paired a legendary director whose rise and fall so perfectly reflected their own.

Francis Ford Coppola          ...        Mr. White
       The true Godfather of the 1970s movement, Tarantino saw much of Mr. White in Coppola. Arguably the most critically successful of the group, Coppola had the dedication and the heart, but his dedication to Zoetrope and his mentoring of Lucas would be his downfall - after Apocalypse Now he would never reach his previous level of achievement.

 

George Lucas             ...          Mr. Orange
        The young Lucas showed so much promise, pledging his loyalty to the team and especially Coppola with his artistic American Graffiti, and expirimental THX 1183. But as Mr. Orange reveals himself to be a cop, too soon did Lucas create Star Wars, and thus the mega blockbuster was born.

 

John Cassavetes         ...            Mr. Blonde

   Mr Blonde never plays by the rules, unless it's for his own benefit. Willing to participate in some other jobs (Rosemary's Baby), Cassavetes' heart was in truly independent film. A risky move.

Martin Scorsese             ...            Nice Guy Eddie

       Just as people wonder who killed Nice Guy Eddie, people wonder if Scorsese truly survived the New American Cinema movement. He's certainly made great movies since then, though none (no, not even Goodfellas) close to the glory of Raging Bull or Taxi Driver. Tarantino also noted that both Eddie and Scorsese were charismatic, at least by reputation.

Woody Allen         ...           Mr. Pink

       Mr. Pink is probably the outcast of the group, running his mouth and a great deal more tense than everyone else. Woody Allen, too, is talkative and neurotic...and the only one to survive the final shootout. Maybe.

Sam Peckinpah     ...         Joe Cabot

      He was there long before the studio heist, and he doesn't survive for long after. An influence to some and a warning story to many others, Peckinpah's life and films were studio-trouble even before the movement.

Brian De Palma      ...         Mr. Brown

       Tarantino, in a rare bit of self-depricating humor, paired his own character with the director Brian De Palma. "I see myself just like him," he laughs, "we're both tribute directors." Less to his amusement, critics noted that both directors were over-stylized, over-praised, and self-indulgent.

Hal Ashby           ...            Mr. Blue

       Hal Ashby was with us for too little time, appearing for no more than a blip in cinema's time. Yet just as Mr. Blue is continually referenced throughout the film though seen for just minutes, Ashby's legacy lives on.

Michael Cimino       ...          Young Cop (gets ear cut off)

      Cimino appears briefly as the young cop who is on the side of studio-evil, especially after he releases Heaven's Gate. Like the cop, Cimino is a good plot device for a time (The Deer Hunter), but eventually brings down the 70s film movement, as the cop is the catalyst for the Dogs turning on each other.

Peter Bogdonavich           ...         K-Billy DJ

       Peter Bogdonavich doesn't make a physical appearance in the film, but his writings helped Tarantino's research so much he used Bogdonavich as the film's "narrator," the K-Billy DJ.

BONUS:

Steven Spielberg       ...        Holdaway

       Spielberg, who will work often with blockbuster buddy Lucas in the future, works for the side of studio-****-cop evil as the creator of Jaws, the 70s flick that began the destruction of the New American Cinema movement.

 



     

            
PlantPage55
PlantPage55
Posts 7

Re:A new pack of RESERVOIR DOGS (1992)



Werner Herzog's "Reservior Dogs"

Marshall Bell as Mr. White

Somehow, a young Donald Sutherland as Mr. Orange

Christian Bale as Mr. Blonde (channeling Patrick Bateman, no?)

Steve Zahn as Nice Guy Eddie

Bruno S. as Mr. Pink

Klaus Kinski as Joe Cabot (like Tierney, an actor known for being difficult)

Werner Herzog as Mr. Brown (has had the acting bug recently)

José Lewgoy as Mr. Blue

Tim Roth as Ear Cop (a meta-cameo - Herzog worked with him in "Invincible")

Jeremy Davies as K-Billy (doing his patented "hippy" voice)

and replace "Stuck in the Middle with You" with the song:

Disorder by Joy Division, because of the Ian Curtis/Stroszek connection, Joy Division is awesome, and also why the hell not? :)

An interesting tie-in, as Herzog is making a "Bad Lieutenant" movie (although he won't call it a remake). A great Keitel performance!



     

            
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