HORROR MOVIES 101

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:04:47 GMT

Dr_Gor:

Yes, I prefer my horror to be as graphic and bloody as possible. Anything short of this and I feel I am being "ripped-off" ... I like a lot of nudity as well. There are certain types of horror movies that do not require a lot of graphic bloodletting (ghost stories) but for the most part I think it is a pre-requisite...

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Why do you think I like the Itallians so much like Fulci and D'Amato and Lenzi and Deodato and Argento and LEONE ...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:04:06 GMT

Risselada:

Now to take that answer in a different direction. What do you think of more psychological kinds of horror movies, where the avoidance of showing too much gore and having things be more in your head. The idea being that your imagination can be more terrible than anything that could actually be shown on screen? Or do you not buy into that and prefer as much gore to be seen as possible?

I think I answered part of this question in my last reply to Ms. June. The short answer is , Yes, I prefer my horror to be as graphic and bloody as possible. Anything short of this and I feel I am being "ripped-off" ... I like a lot of nudity as well. There are certain types of horror movies that do not require a lot of graphic bloodletting (ghost stories) but for the most part I think it is a pre-requisite...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:31:15 GMT

divinemsjunebug:

You know, honestly, I didn't think the first one was that brutal, now in my mind it was brutal but on the screen they really didn't show that much, but of course, you knew what was happening. It was nothing like, I Spit on Your Grave. Now that was pretty brutal in so many aspects.

If you haven't already done so, June, you should check out the "director's cut" version of Last House which came out a few years ago. A couple extra scenes of gore and brutallity make for a much more graphic and brutal and disturbing movie. Obviously there is a movie making trick that is as old as time that involves setting up a disturbing gore or violence scene and then cutting away at the last second and letting the sound effects and the viewers imagination to fill in the gruesome details. Every great horror film is guilty of this to some degree. Hitchcock did this masterfuly with Psycho and the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre has virtually NO on screen gore at all! Yet some people remember this as one of the "goriest" movies ever made! I think the decision to NOT show the gore scenes in these movies is more budgetary than artistic. (In spite of what Hitchcock said about this!). Realistic gore effects cost money and TIME... Something that a lot of producers are not willing to spend. Try to imagine if Lucio Fulci had directed Last House or Psycho or TCM ... they would have been very different movies.

I think your comparison of I Spit on your Grave to Last House is very profound. They are very similar movies. Brutallity, rape and revenge. BOTH movies feature a rather "graphic" penis-removal scene in which you don't actually SEE the penis but you know full well what is going on. (Try Cannibal Ferox for a TRULY GRAPHIC depiction of this... nobody does it like the Italians.) . I think that Last House was more brutal than I Spit on Your Grave in this particular scene. All in all, I like both movies equally well.

I would like to recomend another movie in the "rape-and-revenge" catagory called Ms..45 ... a lot of fun...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Risselada — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:49:13 GMT

Dr_Gor:

Risselada:

I find it interesting how a lot of times it's talked about how the trend in society is that media is becoming more and more extreme, offensive, and uncesored. But then you hear about tamed down remakes like this. I'm not sure if things have really changed that much. Or maybe things come in waves. What do you think?

   In answer to your question, Rizzo, I think that it is all about money.   I think that ALL Horror Movies should be rated "R" at the very least.   The REALLY good ones should be rated "X" or "NC-17".   There has been a trend in recent years to "nice down" the Horror movies to get that "PG-13" rating so that all the kids in the mall can buy a ticket for this movie without having to have a parent with them.   This instantly like doubles your audience base.   More tickets sold = more money.

   Just my thoughts...

                                                                                              < GOR >

That's a good answer.

Now to take that answer in a different direction. What do you think of more psychological kinds of horror movies, where the avoidance of showing too much gore and having things be more in your head. The idea being that your imagination can be more terrible than anything that could actually be shown on screen? Or do you not buy into that and prefer as much gore to be seen as possible?

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

divinemsjunebug — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:16:33 GMT

Thanks Gor for letting me know (batting my eyelashes sweetly). I saw on the previews that they found her and wrapped her up in a blanket but I didn't know if she lived or not. That's very interesting, I wonder if there was an outcry after the first one because she died so he decided to make her live in this one...or it almost seems that his conscience got the best of him, since this was one of his first films, and somehow he wanted to make it right...hmmmm. The penis chomping scene was great, I bet every guy in the theater watching it back then had to grimace. hee hee. It does make me wonder in this day and age where MOST horror movies usually have very unhappy endings (especially all the zombie movies) why he did let her live. Personally, I like happy endings. I wish Rhodes wouldn't have been eaten, but then we wouldn't had his famous last lines of CHOKE on it.. But with a lot of movies now, I expect it to have a twist or sad ending, so it's not so shocking for me anymore.

You know, honestly, I didn't think the first one was that brutal, now in my mind it was brutal but on the screen they really didn't show that much, but of course, you knew what was happening. It was nothing like, I Spit on Your Grave. Now that was pretty brutal in so many aspects.

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:56:00 GMT

Risselada:

I find it interesting how a lot of times it's talked about how the trend in society is that media is becoming more and more extreme, offensive, and uncesored. But then you hear about tamed down remakes like this. I'm not sure if things have really changed that much. Or maybe things come in waves. What do you think?

In answer to your question, Rizzo, I think that it is all about money. I think that ALL Horror Movies should be rated "R" at the very least. The REALLY good ones should be rated "X" or "NC-17". There has been a trend in recent years to "nice down" the Horror movies to get that "PG-13" rating so that all the kids in the mall can buy a ticket for this movie without having to have a parent with them. This instantly like doubles your audience base. More tickets sold = more money.

Just my thoughts...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:36:07 GMT

Risselada:

I find it interesting how a lot of times it's talked about how the trend in society is that media is becoming more and more extreme, offensive, and uncesored. But then you hear about tamed down remakes like this. I'm not sure if things have really changed that much. Or maybe things come in waves. What do you think?

I think I must correct my earlier post. The remake of Last House Actually WAS rated "R" ... And for very good reasons. This movie is very disturbing and still contains a VERY brutal and graphic rape scene as well as some nudity and gore and violence. But it is just not on a level with the original. I think it was "toned down" in order to avoid an "X" or "NC-17" rating by todays tougher standards...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Risselada — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:51:47 GMT

Dr_Gor:

divinemsjunebug:

.SO Gor, in the remake of Last House on the Left, does the girl die in this one? From the previews it looks like she is barely alive but IS alive. You can put a big SPOILER alert on it, but I just wanted to know how they ended this one.

   Normally I woulds not do this but just for you, June...

   *** SPOILERS ***

   This movie was "niced down" from the original version in order to get that "PG-13" rating.   I thought it was very dissapointing much like Adam Sandler's remake of The Longest Yard .   The original of that movie was a VERY brutal depiction of a prison football game in which people were KILLED.   Nobody died in the remake.   Last House was like that.   The girl survives.   The infamous "penis-chomping" scene is gone ...

   You can take from that what you will.

                                                                                < GOR >

I find it interesting how a lot of times it's talked about how the trend in society is that media is becoming more and more extreme, offensive, and uncesored. But then you hear about tamed down remakes like this. I'm not sure if things have really changed that much. Or maybe things come in waves. What do you think?

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:16:20 GMT

divinemsjunebug:

.SO Gor, in the remake of Last House on the Left, does the girl die in this one? From the previews it looks like she is barely alive but IS alive. You can put a big SPOILER alert on it, but I just wanted to know how they ended this one.

Normally I woulds not do this but just for you, June...

*** SPOILERS ***

This movie was "niced down" from the original version in order to get that "PG-13" rating. I thought it was very dissapointing much like Adam Sandler's remake of The Longest Yard . The original of that movie was a VERY brutal depiction of a prison football game in which people were KILLED. Nobody died in the remake. Last House was like that. The girl survives. The infamous "penis-chomping" scene is gone ...

You can take from that what you will.

< GOR >

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

divinemsjunebug — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:55:55 GMT

Yes, I have to say it was a fun movie and my hat is off to the woman who was naked for about 15 minutes running in heels and screaming. It had to be cold after a while. I guess when people said they wanted nudity in this one, they decided to keep it on screen for quite a while.

SO Gor, in the remake of Last House on the Left, does the girl die in this one? From the previews it looks like she is barely alive but IS alive. You can put a big SPOILER alert on it, but I just wanted to know how they ended this one.

Dr_Gor:

OK. The Doctor has been catching up on his 'recent' remakes... I have recently watched Friday the 13th , Last House on the Left and My Bloody Valentine . The latter was my favorite of the three. A very good horror/action film with brutal murders galore from the opening minutes. A few minutes of some very nice, un-ashamed nudity only add to the many charms of this one. They bumped up the gore and violence quotient quite a bit in this one, making it very fun to watch. For sentimental reasons, I still think the original is a better movie...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:20:26 GMT

OK. The Doctor has been catching up on his 'recent' remakes... I have recently watched Friday the 13th , Last House on the Left and My Bloody Valentine . The latter was my favorite of the three. A very good horror/action film with brutal murders galore from the opening minutes. A few minutes of some very nice, un-ashamed nudity only add to the many charms of this one. They bumped up the gore and violence quotient quite a bit in this one, making it very fun to watch. For sentimental reasons, I still think the original is a better movie...

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Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

divinemsjunebug — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:29:54 GMT

Well some friends and I went to see this last night. It really was cool. I wish they would make more movies in 3D, it just really made you feel like you were in the movie. They changed the story around a bit but all in all it was pretty good. They did have a few cheesey 3D effects where they had some things pop out at you, but it wasn't too bad. It's definately a great movie if you have a date or if you just have a group of crazy friends.

It seemed like in the first movie, that briefly you got to know each character in a way, and you either really liked them and it upset you when they died or you were kind of wishing they would get hacked up. I wish they would have done more like that in the newer movie. All you really got to know were the main characters. I still enjoyed it though and with Jensen Ackles playing Tom and Kerr Smith playing Axel - they are both really nice to look at.

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

divinemsjunebug — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:14:34 GMT

Yes, I am the same way about remakes, there have only been a few that I have really liked. I think the only reason My Bloody Valentine looks good is because it is going to be in 3D, it just sounds like a lot of fun. I liked the old April Fool's day and didn't even know they had remade it. It sounds like I didn't miss much.

Another movie that is coming out soon (someone told me this was a remake? Does anyone know?) is The Unborn, that looks pretty spooky. I am going to have to check out the lists...

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Macabre_FilmNut — Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:02:54 GMT

Dr_Gor:

divinemsjunebug:

Has anyone seen the trailer for this? You know I'm not much for remakes but this actually looks pretty fun because they've made it in 3D.   I really liked the original movie, it's not very well known but it was pretty good. Anyone have any opinion on the old movie or the new one?

   This new version looks like it will be pretty cool.   The original was a very good low-budget Canadian horror film that caught on to the "slasher/horror" craze of the early 1980's but with an interesting twist, the killer was a Miner!   NOT a 'minor',   the killer in this movie is someone over 18 years old who works (or WORKED) in a mine ...   Of course this leads to some rather creative and inventive and gruesome ways to dispatch a person...   I liked this movie a lot back in the day and I still like it a lot today.    Of course this instantly reminded me of another "cult-horror-jump-on-the-bandwagon-holliday-slasher-flick" called April Fools Day .   This one was recently remade and I have yet to see that one as well.

    Back to the remake version of My Bloody Valentine ,   This movie looks promising to me mostly because I would like to check out this new 3-D technology that everybody has been ranting and raving about...   my curiosity is piqued...

                                                                        < GOR >

I usally never go to the movies lately, becasue where I live anything that hits the theaters is plain awful! I got talked into seeing Saw 5, which I hated. They showed the previews to My bloody Valentine 3-D and my curiosity got the best of me. I know if it comes up here I will go and see it!!

As for April Fools, I didnt see it, I have a hard time with remakes. I was on BD Horror and they had there list of worst horror films of 2008 and April Fools was number 1. Incase anyone is interested heres the link, http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/14775.

Re:My Bloody Valentine Remake

Dr_Gor — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:01:36 GMT

divinemsjunebug:

Has anyone seen the trailer for this? You know I'm not much for remakes but this actually looks pretty fun because they've made it in 3D. I really liked the original movie, it's not very well known but it was pretty good. Anyone have any opinion on the old movie or the new one?

This new version looks like it will be pretty cool. The original was a very good low-budget Canadian horror film that caught on to the "slasher/horror" craze of the early 1980's but with an interesting twist, the killer was a Miner! NOT a 'minor', the killer in this movie is someone over 18 years old who works (or WORKED) in a mine ... Of course this leads to some rather creative and inventive and gruesome ways to dispatch a person... I liked this movie a lot back in the day and I still like it a lot today. Of course this instantly reminded me of another "cult-horror-jump-on-the-bandwagon-holliday-slasher-flick" called April Fools Day . This one was recently remade and I have yet to see that one as well.

Back to the remake version of My Bloody Valentine , This movie looks promising to me mostly because I would like to check out this new 3-D technology that everybody has been ranting and raving about... my curiosity is piqued...

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My Bloody Valentine Remake

divinemsjunebug — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:47:36 GMT

Has anyone seen the trailer for this? You know I'm not much for remakes but this actually looks pretty fun because they've made it in 3D. I really liked the original movie, it's not very well known but it was pretty good. Anyone have any opinion on the old movie or the new one?