HORROR MOVIES 101

Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Risselada — Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:56:10 GMT

Dr_Gor:
OK... that and I had a 'thing' for Judy Garland...

I think she looks real creepy lookin. Real strange.

I've never seen Meet Me in St. Louis, but I've seen pictures of it. And she look flat out frightening!

Re:Re:Re:Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:18:40 GMT

OK... that and I had a 'thing' for Judy Garland...

Re:Re:Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:26:56 GMT

"But what would you DO with a brain if you had one?" .... THIS has got to be my favorite movie line of all time!

That and , "Pay No Attention To That Man Behind The Curtain!" ....

Re:Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:54:09 GMT

OK... for ME "The Wizard Of OZ" is borderline horror...

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Risselada — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:15:39 GMT

Dr_Gor:
'Non Horror Sci-Fi' ... let's see... "Back To The Future"? , "The Absent Minded Profesor"? , "Batteries Not Included"? ... I think there are some...

That parallel 1985 in Back to the Future Part II was pretty frightening.

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:33:55 GMT

"Dark Star" was, indeed, a 'stoner comedy in space'! Although it has been MANY years since I've seen it ... (I DO have it in my collection!) ... and my memory has about reached it's capacity so I can't remember some things too well, I believe that "Dark Star" did INDEED have it's (supposedly) horrific moments! If I remember right, there was a malevolent, man-eating ALIEN aboard the ship! A la "ALIEN"! BUT, (again if I remember correctly) The 'alien' looked like a slightly under-inflated beach-ball with feet! And I think that's what it actually was! This movie looks like a film school project and I suspect that is what it was!

'Non Horror Sci-Fi' ... let's see... "Back To The Future"? , "The Absent Minded Profesor"? , "Batteries Not Included"? ... I think there are some...

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

sonofkinski — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:35:56 GMT

You're right, Gor -- I misread your previous post and tried to go with "straightforward" examples of horror within sci-fi. All are good examples, with the 'Alien' franchise probably being the ultimate embodiment.

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Risselada — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:25:26 GMT

Dr_Gor:
Anyhow, I got to thinking about it and I could not think of ONE 'sci-fi' movie that could not be also classified as 'horror'! Not ONE! Tell me if I am wrong...

I tried thinking about it and I think you are right. At least in regards to your broad definition of horror, almost all sci-fi films will have some distinctly horrific elements.

The closest one I could think of that doesn't really is Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

I've never seen the movie Dark Star but I've heard it essentially called a stoner comedy in space. Then again it would be hard for me to expect something Carpenter did to not have horrific elements.

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:44:07 GMT

sonofkinski:
I hestitated in answering the movie quote that Gor posted earlier ("Damn you all to Hell!, etc.) because of this very reason. Another good topic on this is in the "Differentiation of Horror" thread from a while back. Risselada is right about the "genre location" in a video/online store, too.

Anyway, I see the horrific elements of a 'Planet of the Apes' movie...but it's certainly more sci-fi than horror if we're splitting hairs. Other scary sci-fi films (suggested by Dr. Gor)? I'm thinking (off the top of my head) and drinking, but how about 'Hardware'? Low budget Richard Stanley movie from the early '90s, but with a pretty effective robots-run-amok theme and a badass soundtrack featuring PiL and Ministry.

Any others?

"Any others?" ... hmmm, let's see... "Hardware" was a good one and I have that in my collection somewhere... but are there ANY other 'sci-fi' movies that might also be considered 'horror'?

How about EVERY SINGLE 'sci-fi' movie made from the late 40's through the 50's? Including ALL of the 'giant bug' movies (THEM!, The Deadly Mantis, TARANTULA, Earth vs The Spider, The Black Scorpion, etc.) .... As well as ALL of the 'alien invasion' movies from that era (Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, Invasion Of The Saucermen, Earth vs The Flying Saucers, THE BLOB, The Thing From Another World) ...

The entire 'ALIEN' series, up to, and including 'Alien vs Predator'... 'The Terminator' , 'Event Horizon' , 'War Of The Worlds' , 'The Abyss' , '2001' and '2010' , 'A Clockwork Orange' .... the list goes on and on... as I said before, I can think of only a very FEW 'sci-fi' movies that are NOT also 'horror'!

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

joem18b — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:06:50 GMT

I'd say the remake is sort of a comedy. Especially the gorillas.

(Watched "Perfume" tonight. There's a horror story for you.

SPOILERS.......... Nah, I better not say.

But I would love to have seen the casting call for the scene in the town square where hundreds of extras strip down and do the bad thing en masse.)

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

sonofkinski — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:14:03 GMT

I hestitated in answering the movie quote that Gor posted earlier ("Damn you all to Hell!, etc.) because of this very reason. Another good topic on this is in the "Differentiation of Horror" thread from a while back. Risselada is right about the "genre location" in a video/online store, too.

Anyway, I see the horrific elements of a 'Planet of the Apes' movie...but it's certainly more sci-fi than horror if we're splitting hairs. Other scary sci-fi films (suggested by Dr. Gor)? I'm thinking (off the top of my head) and drinking, but how about 'Hardware'? Low budget Richard Stanley movie from the early '90s, but with a pretty effective robots-run-amok theme and a badass soundtrack featuring PiL and Ministry.

Any others?

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:25 GMT

I almost forgot to mention what I came here to say! "Planet Of The Apes" was HEAVILY featured in 'Famous Monsters' magazine in 1968... the year of it's release! I know this because I was there! For all of you 'youngsters' who have never heard of it, 'Famous Monsters Of Filmland' was THE Horror Movie Magazine of ALL time! WAY before 'Fangoria' and 'GoreZone' et al.

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:45:55 GMT

Ok.... other than the "Star Wars" series.... (Darth Vader WAS a little spooky at first!) .... Ok.... AND 'Star Trek' ! ....BUT, with the exception of THOSE movies, I think there are VERY FEW that could not also be considered 'Horror Movies'!

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:37:07 GMT

Risselada:
It certainly has horiffic elements. If I went into a video story that sorted films by genre, I wouldn't expect to find it in the horror section though. I'd probably go to the Sci-Fi area first.

I couldn't agree with you more, Rizzo... What an astute observation... and THAT got me to thinking about MY definitions of Horror. Anybody who is interested should look at an earlier discussion called "Is 'Deliverance' a Horror Movie?" ... it is way at the bottom somewhere... Anyhow, I got to thinking about it and I could not think of ONE 'sci-fi' movie that could not be also classified as 'horror'! Not ONE! Tell me if I am wrong...

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Risselada — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:16:49 GMT

It certainly has horiffic elements. If I went into a video story that sorted films by genre, I wouldn't expect to find it in the horror section though. I'd probably go to the Sci-Fi area first.

Re: Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

divinemsjunebug — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:53:19 GMT

Froggy, I hate to say this because I think us girls have to stick together on some issues, but in my mind, Planet of the Apes has always been a horror movie. It is pretty terrifying (it might be because I saw this movie as a child and I will NEVER forget that ending and how I worried about it for weeks). Of course I would put it in the Science Fiction/Horror category not just straight out horror. But the whole concept is pretty horrible and scary.

I don't know if that really qualifies as a "true" horror movie but in my book, it has always been that way, even now when I watch it my heart still speeds up and I want to put the covers over my head in certain parts (maybe it's just talking monkeys in general that I think is so scary)...

Is "Planet Of The Apes" a Horror Movie?

Dr_Gor — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:32:42 GMT

For MY money, it IS... You all know the story by now... EVEN those of you who have not yet seen the movie!

There seems to be some dissention on the home front... FroggyBabe does NOT think that this should classify as a Horror Film... I say it DOES! I would appreciate any input from all you 'horrorphiles'...