Extreme Cinema

Re:Extreme Films

filmgal81 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:47:48 GMT

When I think Extreme Films, the first thing to come to mind is totrure porn films like Saw. The original one is brutal- when they threaten to pull that woman's mouth apart from the corners...i shrudder just thinking about it.

As the Voice put it in a brillant article on Rosemary's Baby, "Horror movies provide a snapshot of the zeitgeist" and today's horror films "reflect the age of "enhanced" interrogation techniques."

Happy Halloween.

Dr_Gor:

   First off I would like to thank our host, Stinger839, for starting this most promising group!   The subject matter of Extreme Cinema has a lot of potential for some interesting conversations.   I think I will be here regularly talking about many movies that are near and dear to me!   So let's start this thing off with a 'bang', shall we?

   Last night when my partner Phantasma-Gore-ia and I became the first people to join this group we quickly discovered that we were not able to list any films on the existing group list so I started my own list called Extreme Films...   The first three movies I listed on here are legendary examples of Extreme Cinema.   First off, Deliverance ...   John Boorman's take on the infamous James Dickey novel is a phenomenal film that deals with man's survival instincts in the face of overwhelming odds.   Although most people can not get past the homosexual rape scene and the subsequent murders and Burt Reynold's compound fracture of his thigh bone that would make ANYBODY wince!   Yeah, this movie is a little bit over-the-top...   Next on the list is Mandingo .   This shocking story of slavery in the old South is nothing short of being 'politically incorrect' ...   Former heavy-weight boxing champion Ken Norton stars as 'Mede', a Mandingo warrior who is captured and sold to a wealthy southern family and is trained to be a "fightin' nigger" who is forced to fight against other slaves for the betting pleasure of his owner.   Sexual debauchery abounds in this perverse tale that ends with Mede being shot and boiled alive and 'pitchforked' to death! ...   Next is Pretty Baby ...  Brooke Shields made her movie debut in this shocker about prostitution in New Orleans.   Susan Sarandon is a prostitute in a New Orleans brothel who becomes pregnant and decides to keep her child.   That child (Brooke Shields) is raised in the brothel until she becomes 12 and then her virginity is auctioned off to the highest bidder.   About this time she becomes the obsession of a French photographer named Bellocq who is actually more interested in photographing he young girl than he is in touching her!   Although there is deffinately a physical relationship that is more hinted at than actually shown!   The thing is this...   12 year old Brooke Shields spends much of this movie running around naked!   This movie received a wide theatrical release back in the day and was a 'mainstream' movie!   Today this movie would be called 'kiddie-porn' and it would be illegal to even THINK about it!   That is pretty extreme in my book...

   Obviously no list of 'extreme' films would not be complete without the scariest, most disturbing Horror movie ever made so I must go now and add The Exorcist to my list as well as Nekromantik !

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Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:52:13 GMT

seely:

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I really liked Dracula, but I wasn't able to turn it off out of sheer curiosity. I saw the Frankenstein as I did a search for the Dracula film--didn't know there was an x-rated Alice in Wonderland or Wizard of Oz... not too surprised though I suppose!

The X-rated Alice in Wonderland starred one of the most beautiful women in the world and one of my favorite Playboy Playmates of all time, Kristine DeBell. You can also check her out in Jackie Chan's The Big Brawl and a few other more mainstream movies. This was also a fairly big-budgeted and well produced soft-core X-rated movie that recieved a good distribution.

The X-rated Wizard of OZ was something else again! This was a low budget and poorly distributed film made in England. It was not a "remake" of the original movie at all! They just took all of the character's basic personalities and transposed them into a similar story line that is more updated to the current time (back then...) ... Dorothy is a runaway teenage hitchiker who meets some very odd characters along her travels including "The Wicked Witch" who is actually a truck driver who kidnaps her and rapes her repeatedly... GREAT movie that I wish I had in my collection! If anyone knows where I might find a copy of this one PLEASE let me know...

A couple of other good ones from that era were Flesh Gordon and Fritz the Cat ... This was also the time of some of the best and most legendary XXX 'hardcore' porn of all time including movies like Deep Throat and Debbie Does Dallas ...

I am reminiscing here ...

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Re:Extreme Films

seely — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:51:37 GMT

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I really liked Dracula, but I wasn't able to turn it off out of sheer curiosity. I saw the Frankenstein as I did a search for the Dracula film--didn't know there was an x-rated Alice in Wonderland or Wizard of Oz... not too surprised though I suppose!

Dr_Gor:

If you liked that one then you MUST check out "Andy Warhol's Frankenstein" aka Flesh for Frankenstein . This one just might take the title of most extreme film of all time. When is the last time you've seen 'armpit sucking' in a movie? These two movies, "Blood for Dracula" and "Flesh for Frankenstein" were released theatrically in the '70's as an X-rated double feature. These movies were quite popular and there were a slew of very good X-rated "Adults Only" movies from that era including X-rated versions of "The Wizard of OZ" and "Alice in Wonderland" !

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Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:29:19 GMT

seely:

Allow me to bring us back to the topic at hand, with the 1974 version of 'Dracula', sometimes called 'Warhol's Dracula' as I guess it was produced after Warhol's 'Frankenstein', which I haven't seen, though he had little to no involvement in Dracula.

Anyways, it is the most bizarre of the Dracula movies. I caught it at 3AM on Cinemax after a long night. It was disturbing, the same was as a car crash. My girlfriend and I were mortified, but couldn't quite look away.

The basic premise is that Dracula is sick and dying because of a lack of *virgin* blood. Without going into too much detail it is not the blood from their veins, mind you. To remedy this, he visits the family of three daughters, ages 14-28?-ish under the pretenses of recouperating, so he can feed on the daughters.

The dashing farmhand gets wind of Dracula's sinister plot, and takes it upon himself to protect the daughters, by raping them essentially so Dracula will have no interest in them. Words cannot describe how messed up this is, beginning to end (or at least where I had to shut it off/fell asleep).

I'm sure I'm missing some plot elements here, but that was the jist of it. Definately the most extreme film I have seen to date, and just utterly bizarre.

If you liked that one then you MUST check out "Andy Warhol's Frankenstein" aka Flesh for Frankenstein . This one just might take the title of most extreme film of all time. When is the last time you've seen 'armpit sucking' in a movie? These two movies, "Blood for Dracula" and "Flesh for Frankenstein" were released theatrically in the '70's as an X-rated double feature. These movies were quite popular and there were a slew of very good X-rated "Adults Only" movies from that era including X-rated versions of "The Wizard of OZ" and "Alice in Wonderland" !

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Re:Extreme Films

seely — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:15:53 GMT

Allow me to bring us back to the topic at hand, with the 1974 version of 'Dracula', sometimes called 'Warhol's Dracula' as I guess it was produced after Warhol's 'Frankenstein', which I haven't seen, though he had little to no involvement in Dracula.

Anyways, it is the most bizarre of the Dracula movies. I caught it at 3AM on Cinemax after a long night. It was disturbing, the same was as a car crash. My girlfriend and I were mortified, but couldn't quite look away.

The basic premise is that Dracula is sick and dying because of a lack of *virgin* blood. Without going into too much detail it is not the blood from their veins, mind you. To remedy this, he visits the family of three daughters, ages 14-28?-ish under the pretenses of recouperating, so he can feed on the daughters.

The dashing farmhand gets wind of Dracula's sinister plot, and takes it upon himself to protect the daughters, by raping them essentially so Dracula will have no interest in them. Words cannot describe how messed up this is, beginning to end (or at least where I had to shut it off/fell asleep).

I'm sure I'm missing some plot elements here, but that was the jist of it. Definately the most extreme film I have seen to date, and just utterly bizarre.

Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:06:49 GMT

Dr_Gor:
You are not going to give up on this, are you Rizzo? Well I am. I am officially changing the title of this discussion BACK to "Extreme Films" (mostly because a few new VERY GOOD titles have been added during this little riff and I feel that we have taken enough of our Host's, and everyone elses, time and we should get back to the subject at hand). If you would like to argue with me some more we can do it over at my group... You know you are ALWAYS welcome there!

< GOR >

Alright Gor, I'll give up too. Until next time! ;)

Re:Rizzo is an Idiot

Dr_Gor — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:24:36 GMT

Puhnner:

Dr_Gor,

I know this is horrible, but I read this subject line this morning, and could not stop laughing, your humor knows no bounds! However since I was the one who changed the subject line in the first place, I feel like I should be the one in it...of course at your request, I dare not do it, but would you change it to:

'Puhnner is a big, dumb, idiot!!! If you do not believe me just ask.''

I like pride of ownership.

By the way, may I suggest

Street Trash ( penis, penis, who has my penis )

and

In the Realm of Senses (penis, penis, why there it is, she has it )

be included in the Extreme Films list

I appologize that I cannot fulfill your request, Puhn. I think we have had enough fun at the group owner's expense for one day. I think it is time to return to the subject matter at hand... "Extreme Cinema" ... (at least one good recomendation there, by the way. I have a VHS copy of "Street Trash" in my collection and it is indeed pretty extreme! I have yet to see the other one but I will add it to my list! Thank you very much, Puhn!

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Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:13:36 GMT

Risselada:

Dr_Gor:

I have just succesfully changed the title of this discussion. Now we are no longer discussing extreme films but rather Risselada's intelligence. NOW are you beginning to get my point?

You decided change the default subject of your post yes. But the topic of the disccusion has wandered and now that's what we ARE discussing. So a name change seems appropriate to me. :)

You are not going to give up on this, are you Rizzo? Well I am. I am officially changing the title of this discussion BACK to "Extreme Films" (mostly because a few new VERY GOOD titles have been added during this little riff and I feel that we have taken enough of our Host's, and everyone elses, time and we should get back to the subject at hand). If you would like to argue with me some more we can do it over at my group... You know you are ALWAYS welcome there!

< GOR >

Re:Rizzo is an Idiot

Risselada — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:23:16 GMT

Dr_Gor:

I have just succesfully changed the title of this discussion. Now we are no longer discussing extreme films but rather Risselada's intelligence. NOW are you beginning to get my point?

You decided change the default subject of your post yes. But the topic of the disccusion has wandered and now that's what we ARE discussing. So a name change seems appropriate to me. :)

Re:Rizzo is an Idiot

Puhnner — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:54:37 GMT

Dr_Gor,

I know this is horrible, but I read this subject line this morning, and could not stop laughing, your humor knows no bounds! However since I was the one who changed the subject line in the first place, I feel like I should be the one in it...of course at your request, I dare not do it, but would you change it to:

'Puhnner is a big, dumb, idiot!!! If you do not believe me just ask.''

I like pride of ownership.

By the way, may I suggest

Street Trash ( penis, penis, who has my penis )

and

In the Realm of Senses (penis, penis, why there it is, she has it )

be included in the Extreme Films list

Re:Rizzo is an Idiot

Dr_Gor — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:17:04 GMT

I have just succesfully changed the title of this discussion. Now we are no longer discussing extreme films but rather Risselada's intelligence. NOW are you beginning to get my point?

Rizzo is an Idiot

Dr_Gor — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:11:10 GMT

Now are you beginning to get my point?

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:43:26 GMT

csprague:

Is it getting heated in here? or is it just me?

FYI: The ability to alter the subject line and therefore create a new thread is built into the system because if a change of subject should be started in a new thread, as the forum Gods have dictated. I can see how this is a problem if there is not a complete topic change and the person does not understand that altering the subject creates a new thread. But then, it's just our failing that our users don't understand our interface. So, please, don't get mad at each other, get mad at me :) Give me hell and I will see what I can do to help.

cheers :)

PLEASE don't sweat this one, Christi...   Rizzo and I are old friends (sorta) and he just likes to antagagonize me every once in a while....   It is not a problem.   I can prove him wrong and I will.   (Watchya gonna do THEN, college boy...) ...   I am quite certain that a little riff like this will not come between the deep love and affection we feel for each other... (just bend over , Rizzo, and I will show you some DEEP love and affection) ...

   Anyhow, back to the subject at hand... "Extreme Films" ...   here are a couple more to ponder ;

   "Andy Warhol's Dracula" aka Blood For Dracula   ;   This thing is sick.   For those of you who haven't seen it this was released in the 70's as an X-rated flick with much controversy.

   " Andy Warhol's Frankenstein" aka Flesh for Frankenstein  ;   THIS thing is pretty fucking 'extreme'!   Once again released as an 'X-rated' film that was later 'toned down' to make it "R" ...

Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:17:27 GMT

Dr_Gor:
Whenever you change the title of a discussion you are changing the title of the ENTIRE discussion.

Look at this link:

http://www.spout.com/groups/641/discussions.aspx

The title of the discussion thread is listed as "Extreme Films" where as the current subject of this post is "Re:Extreme Films". And if I were to change the subject to something like "Fuzzy Bunnies" (which I won't do to avoid your wrath) I dare say if you go to the above link the discussion would still be listed as "Extreme Films". I have no idea why you think changing the name of the subject for the post also changes the title of the entire discussion. Please don't call me stupid. I may just not be looking in the same place you are. If you can please point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

Re:Extreme Films

seely — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:56:34 GMT

Hey--anyone want to talk about extreme films? ;-)

csprague:

Is it getting heated in here? or is it just me?

FYI: The ability to alter the subject line and therefore create a new thread is built into the system because if a change of subject should be started in a new thread, as the forum Gods have dictated. I can see how this is a problem if there is not a complete topic change and the person does not understand that altering the subject creates a new thread. But then, it's just our failing that our users don't understand our interface. So, please, don't get mad at each other, get mad at me :) Give me hell and I will see what I can do to help.

cheers :)

Re:Extreme Films

csprague — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:18:07 GMT

Is it getting heated in here? or is it just me?

FYI: The ability to alter the subject line and therefore create a new thread is built into the system because if a change of subject should be started in a new thread, as the forum Gods have dictated. I can see how this is a problem if there is not a complete topic change and the person does not understand that altering the subject creates a new thread. But then, it's just our failing that our users don't understand our interface. So, please, don't get mad at each other, get mad at me :) Give me hell and I will see what I can do to help.

cheers :)

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:23:29 GMT

Puhnner, help me out here, will you? I think our friend Rizzo ate a bowl of STUPID for breakfast...

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:15:15 GMT

Risselada:

I believe people are given the option to change the subject for each post because that's exactly what the subject is referring to. It's referring to the subject of that particular post. In your example if someone was writing about the movie S.O.B. in a post and they wanted to change the name of their post to "Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" then that would be entirely appropriate to change the subject to that. And if someone opted to hit "reply" to that message and it gave them the default subject line of "Re:Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" then that would be appropriate as well. If the person was replying to an earlier post in the thread, then they should hit "reply" to that post in which case the subject line would by default be similar to the earlier subject line used. It ACTUALLY makes it easier to follow. Because sometimes one thread divides in a sense and goes in a couple different directions at once. It helps people follow which line of discussion you are replying to if you alter the subject line. Why do you think Spout even allows you the option to change the subject each time you make a new post?

Ok, Rizzo, I am going to control my temper and pretend that you are not a complete moron and try to explain this in terms that even you can understand... Whenever you change the title of a discussion you are changing the title of the ENTIRE discussion. So that new people looking at the discussion list will see "Ask The Dr. Re: Black Christmas" rather than just "Ask The Doctor" ... new people looking at your discussions will see "Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" rather han just "Julie Andrews Movies" ... Please. Are you REALLY that stupid that you don't get what I'm saying? Puhnner got it, for christ sakes...

"Well it proves one thing. It proves that you wealthy college boys don't have an education enough to admit when you're wrong." ... Quint from JAWS ...

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Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:38:09 GMT

Dr_Gor:

Dr_Gor:

Risselada:

Dr_Gor:
   And Puhnner, my dear friend, I REALLY wish people would quit fucking with the titles of dicussions I have started...

                                                                                  < GOR >

Why does that upset you Gor??

   Why, Rizzo?   That is kinda a dumb question for an intelligent guy like you.   Puhnner has done this to me before and this discussion is only a minor example of the chaos that can cause.   I started this discussion and I titled it "Extreme Films" so that everyone would have a sense of what this thread is about.   Puhnner decided to change it to "Extreme Films to add" ...   To add to what?   This is not a LIST, this is a discussion!   I started it, I named it, just leave it be!   For a more blatant example, a while ago I started a discussion in my Horror Movies 101 group called "Ask The Doctor" ...   perhaps you remember this one...   This was a discussion I started as a public service to our Horror Movies 101 members in which they could ask me anything about any subject.   Well, our friend Puhnner jumped in there awhile back and changed the title to something like "Ask The Doctor Re: Black Christmas" ...   Do you see the problem there?   It is just a pain in the ass for me to have to go through and check all of my discussions and change the title back.   In the future, if you want to ask me stupid questions I suggest you do it in the "Ask The Doctor" discussion in Horror Movies 101...

                                                                        < GOR >

   OK, Rizzo, here's another example for you...   Let's say you just started a discussion called "Julie Andrews Movies" and all of a sudden I got in there and changed the title to "Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" ...   well, all of a sudden that narrows it down to ONE movie! (S.O.B.) ...   Wouldn't you be a little upset?   Are you beginning to get the picture yet?

                                                                           < GOR >

I believe people are given the option to change the subject for each post because that's exactly what the subject is referring to. It's referring to the subject of that particular post. In your example if someone was writing about the movie S.O.B. in a post and they wanted to change the name of their post to "Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" then that would be entirely appropriate to change the subject to that. And if someone opted to hit "reply" to that message and it gave them the default subject line of "Re:Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" then that would be appropriate as well. If the person was replying to an earlier post in the thread, then they should hit "reply" to that post in which case the subject line would by default be similar to the earlier subject line used. It ACTUALLY makes it easier to follow. Because sometimes one thread divides in a sense and goes in a couple different directions at once. It helps people follow which line of discussion you are replying to if you alter the subject line. Why do you think Spout even allows you the option to change the subject each time you make a new post?

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:12:57 GMT

Puhnner:

Dr_Gor, sir, you are absolutely right. I do apologize and I assure you that type of behavior will not happen again.

Don't sweat it, Puhn. All is forgiven. You are still my best friend on this site but I just hope I have cured you of a rather bad habit. I wish you would come talk to me in Horror Movies 101 once in awhile... I DO miss having some intelligent conversation for a change... In the words of Clint Eastwood from Unforgiven ... "Don't worry, kid. I'm not gonna kill you. You're the only friend I've got." ...

< GOR >

Re:Extreme Films

Puhnner — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:22:36 GMT

Dr_Gor, sir, you are absolutely right. I do apologize and I assure you that type of behavior will not happen again.

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:13:47 GMT

"Well it proves one thing. It Proves that you wealthy college boys don't have an education enough to admit when you're wrong." ... JAWS ...

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:48:00 GMT

Dr_Gor:

Risselada:

Dr_Gor:
   And Puhnner, my dear friend, I REALLY wish people would quit fucking with the titles of dicussions I have started...

                                                                                  < GOR >

Why does that upset you Gor??

   Why, Rizzo?   That is kinda a dumb question for an intelligent guy like you.   Puhnner has done this to me before and this discussion is only a minor example of the chaos that can cause.   I started this discussion and I titled it "Extreme Films" so that everyone would have a sense of what this thread is about.   Puhnner decided to change it to "Extreme Films to add" ...   To add to what?   This is not a LIST, this is a discussion!   I started it, I named it, just leave it be!   For a more blatant example, a while ago I started a discussion in my Horror Movies 101 group called "Ask The Doctor" ...   perhaps you remember this one...   This was a discussion I started as a public service to our Horror Movies 101 members in which they could ask me anything about any subject.   Well, our friend Puhnner jumped in there awhile back and changed the title to something like "Ask The Doctor Re: Black Christmas" ...   Do you see the problem there?   It is just a pain in the ass for me to have to go through and check all of my discussions and change the title back.   In the future, if you want to ask me stupid questions I suggest you do it in the "Ask The Doctor" discussion in Horror Movies 101...

                                                                        < GOR >

OK, Rizzo, here's another example for you... Let's say you just started a discussion called "Julie Andrews Movies" and all of a sudden I got in there and changed the title to "Julie Andrews Movies in which she shows her tits" ... well, all of a sudden that narrows it down to ONE movie! (S.O.B.) ... Wouldn't you be a little upset? Are you beginning to get the picture yet?

< GOR >

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:22:18 GMT

Risselada:

Dr_Gor:
And Puhnner, my dear friend, I REALLY wish people would quit fucking with the titles of dicussions I have started...

< GOR >

Why does that upset you Gor??

Why, Rizzo? That is kinda a dumb question for an intelligent guy like you. Puhnner has done this to me before and this discussion is only a minor example of the chaos that can cause. I started this discussion and I titled it "Extreme Films" so that everyone would have a sense of what this thread is about. Puhnner decided to change it to "Extreme Films to add" ... To add to what? This is not a LIST, this is a discussion! I started it, I named it, just leave it be! For a more blatant example, a while ago I started a discussion in my Horror Movies 101 group called "Ask The Doctor" ... perhaps you remember this one... This was a discussion I started as a public service to our Horror Movies 101 members in which they could ask me anything about any subject. Well, our friend Puhnner jumped in there awhile back and changed the title to something like "Ask The Doctor Re: Black Christmas" ... Do you see the problem there? It is just a pain in the ass for me to have to go through and check all of my discussions and change the title back. In the future, if you want to ask me stupid questions I suggest you do it in the "Ask The Doctor" discussion in Horror Movies 101...

< GOR >

Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:18 GMT

Dr_Gor:
And Puhnner, my dear friend, I REALLY wish people would quit fucking with the titles of dicussions I have started...

< GOR >

Why does that upset you Gor??

Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:51:11 GMT

seely:

I am indeed a Knight. I graduated '07. I actually saw Ragtime as part of my 140(?) class I believe. I had read the book but never seen the film. I'm a huge Doctorow fan, and thought the movie really did the book justice, which is rare as you undoubtedly know.

Ha! Yeah CAS 140. That's where I saw it too. I probably took that class in 2000. I guess they haven't changed the syllabus on that one too much.

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:43:47 GMT

seely:

I don't think I could handle it! I'm way to attached to my kitty to watch that... arms getting cut off, violent death, no problem... but can't watch a kitty getting hurt for some reason...?

Oh my, Seely! Then I'm afraid you wouldn't like Nekromantik at ALL! I won't even try to describe what happens to the poor kitty in that movie... just take my advice and avoid that one at all costs...

And Puhnner, my dear friend, I REALLY wish people would quit fucking with the titles of dicussions I have started...

< GOR >

Re:Extreme Films to add

seely — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:28 GMT

I don't think I could handle it! I'm way to attached to my kitty to watch that... arms getting cut off, violent death, no problem... but can't watch a kitty getting hurt for some reason...?

Puhnner:

The film contains the insert of a film of a live cat dropped into a pen of hungry ( curious?) rats, which I had seen a portion of somewhere else, that is endless...

Re:Extreme Films to add

Puhnner — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:08:28 GMT

Loads of loathsome good ones!

You may wish to consider The Men behind the Sun as an 'add'. Though crudely shot, poorly dubbed, and generally unrefined, nevertheless the subject matter is real, and from what I read, all that actually happened, could not possibly be shown in a film. The film contains the insert of a film of a live cat dropped into a pen of hungry ( curious?) rats, which I had seen a portion of somewhere else, that is endless...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Behind_the_Sun

Another one Ed Gein, I think should be included. Though not a splatterfest by any means, the film felt all too real to me, a sort of blase revelation of a complete state of disaffection and psychosis...

Re:Extreme Films

seely — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:25:30 GMT

I am indeed a Knight. I graduated '07. I actually saw Ragtime as part of my 140(?) class I believe. I had read the book but never seen the film. I'm a huge Doctorow fan, and thought the movie really did the book justice, which is rare as you undoubtedly know.

Risselada:

I think I was required to watch this for a class. It might have been some media and culture class at Calvin College. BTW, Seely, are you affiliated at all with Calvin? I know a number of people working for Spout have attended there.

Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:20:46 GMT

seely:

I'm going to add one more film here... Ragtime was for me an extreme film. Really, anything based on an EL Doctorow book would have to be extreme, but this really made me squirm in a few places. The main character is a pervert, obsessed with an aristocrat's trophy wife (he falls out of the closet he is watching her with her presumably lesbian/bi masseuse from, naked from the waist down)... there are some really hard-to-watch scenes involving racist hate crimes as well. Not entirely sure why, but those types of scenes sometimes disturb me the most. Anyways, the film is twisted, grotesque, graphic and disturbing nearly beginning to end in true Doctorow fashion. As I recall, it did well in the theatres and is a film-school favorite to this day, though it seems to have fallen outside the mainstream in recent years.

I think I was required to watch this for a class. It might have been some media and culture class at Calvin College. BTW, Seely, are you affiliated at all with Calvin? I know a number of people working for Spout have attended there.

Re:Extreme Films

seely — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:44:48 GMT

I'm going to add one more film here... Ragtime was for me an extreme film. Really, anything based on an EL Doctorow book would have to be extreme, but this really made me squirm in a few places. The main character is a pervert, obsessed with an aristocrat's trophy wife (he falls out of the closet he is watching her with her presumably lesbian/bi masseuse from, naked from the waist down)... there are some really hard-to-watch scenes involving racist hate crimes as well. Not entirely sure why, but those types of scenes sometimes disturb me the most. Anyways, the film is twisted, grotesque, graphic and disturbing nearly beginning to end in true Doctorow fashion. As I recall, it did well in the theatres and is a film-school favorite to this day, though it seems to have fallen outside the mainstream in recent years.

Re:Extreme Films

jdice31 — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:57:32 GMT

Rape scenes have always left me uncomfortable in any movie, but the one that was most uncomfortable is in a move called Lost Girls, if you haven't seen this film (base on actual events) it may be worth your time.

As far as extream films go I really like audition, It seems rather unremarkable until the last 20 to 30 minutes, then its no holds barred and you feel almost sick to your stomach when its over.

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:18:45 GMT

Stinger839:

.Narrowing it down to the pure gold will require a village; for example, 'Descent' feels pretty lukewarm compared to other movies featuring rape out there, but for my own sanity (and lack of awareness of other films) I haven't poured through every film which uses rape as the crux of the story. So while 'Irreversible' or an obscure foreign may have a more upsetting and graphic rape scene, Rosario Dawson's got the limelight for now.

_kelly

Hmmm. Rape scenes. I think I have an answer for this one. First I must make a disclaimer and state that I think that rape is the most heinous of all crimes and it makes me sick to my stomach. That being said, I can think of several movies that have at least one disturbing rape scene and these are some of the most disturbing movies to me...

Besides Deliverance , the only other movie I can think of with a homosexual rape scene would be Pulp Fiction . Although I really didn't find that one disturbing as much as humorous. As for really disturbing rape scenes we have ;

Billy Jack : It is the disturbing rape of Billy's girlfriend Jean that sets him on a murderous revenge rampage...

Last House On The Left : Brutal rape and murder lead to bloody revenge in this drive-in classic...

A Clockwork Orange : One of the more disturbing rape scenes ever filmed helps lead to the eventual downfall of our anti-hero in Kubrick's classic...

Straw Dogs : This Peckinpah classic has one of the more disturbing rape scenes of all time...

The Hills Have Eyes (remake) : I am not usually one to tout remakes (just ask anyone!) but in this case the remake has something that the original did not... a VERY brutal rape scene! (I STILL liked the original better!) ...

And now we come down to it... movies that deal PRIMARILY with rape and revenge! And here are my top three choices in this category counting down to number one...

Lipstick : The Hemingway sisters have never looked lovlier than in this graphic tale of rape and revenge...

Ms. 45 : This seldom seen movie is awesome! When a young deaf-mute girl is raped twice in one day she kills the second assailant by bashing his brains in with a clothes iron and, taking his gun, goes on a revenge spree that is unequaled in motion pictures...

And the number one rape and revenge movie of all time...

I Spit On Your Grave : This thing is just brutal nasty! The heroine is repeatedly gang raped throughout the first half hour of this horrible film before she goes on a revenge spree to beat them all! This thing is brutal and NASTY! THE creme-de-la-creme of rape films...

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Re:Extreme Films

seely — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:00:00 GMT

Just thought of this one while adding it to another list:

Requiem for a Dream. Its loud, its dark, its graphic, its gory. Towards the end we witness a gangrene-infected arm being sawed off, followed by a pretty hard-to-watch 'sex scene', as well as the total mental collapse of an older woman. This one is definately extreme in its brutal and graphic portrayal of drug addiction and the depths that users will sink to, and makes you rethink who is actually vulnerable to addiction.

Re:Extreme Films

Risselada — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:40:47 GMT

Tetsuo: The Iron Man might be a good candidate. This guy's penis turns into a giant drill!

Re:Extreme Films

Stinger839 — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:26:51 GMT

Big it up to Dr.Gor for kicking off discussion.

I'm new to SPOUT, so I don't know how lists within groups usually work, but basically I didn't want people adding stuff willy-nilly as I wanted the 'Paradigm Extreme' list to be temporarily an intro into what the group's about, and eventually just the creme de la creme. I'm open to expanding it (and The Exorcist was my biggest oversight) but I would like to maintain control over it and keep it relatively small.

As of now, I didn't include films I hadn't seen yet even if they were definite extreme by what other film analysts have said (Nekromantik, Ilsa She Wolf of the SS, Baise-moi, Irreversible, Antropophagus pop into mind) and if membership picks up here, the goal for this list is to make it what its title says, "Paradigm Extreme". Like I've got a few Miike titles on there, and though an expanded 'Extreme Cinema' list would probably include all or most of his filmography, ideally only one maybe two of his titles would be on the 'Paradigm' list. Sort of how we could decide on a definitve Italian cannibalism extreme film instead of listing them all. The ideal would be if each sub-genre or topic gets one or two examples on the 'Paradigm' list, and all the films up for discussion could go in the bigger list.

Narrowing it down to the pure gold will require a village; for example, 'Descent' feels pretty lukewarm compared to other movies featuring rape out there, but for my own sanity (and lack of awareness of other films) I haven't poured through every film which uses rape as the crux of the story. So while 'Irreversible' or an obscure foreign may have a more upsetting and graphic rape scene, Rosario Dawson's got the limelight for now.

So what do people think of this idea: We'll have an expanded list with everything, and 'Paradigm Extreme' can be an ongoing community project.

_kelly

Re:Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:49:20 GMT

yuanren:

hey dr gor, thanks for letting me know know about this new group. extremely intriguing: however, i feel i might need a phd to converserse with u guys. don't get me wrong. i am disabled and i live thru movies. even tho i get more then the average bear ur group ur like the super heros of the movie worlds and i don't want to be chim-chim. i feel i have opinions to offer, i just may not be able to articullate as well as u and ur friends. i leave my fate in ur hands. i have thick skin. if i can take brain surgery i can take ur critizism, btw i can't spell and i don't even care, and i nvr lie, i'm brutely honest, but not intentionally cruel. u say the word and i'm gone, on the other hand, give homework and i'll watch a flick and give an opinion.

Sincerely, YuanRen

Welcome my friend!   If you have an opinion about movies you are welcome where ever I am!   I sent you an invitation to join our Horror Movies 101 group and I hope you will accept!   I am quite certain that your intelligence is far beyond mine!   Just ask anyone who knows me!   I am a 'caveman'/barbarian and I can barely spell myself...   I only made it through the 9th grade so I never even WENT to High School!   You and your opinions are more than welcome any place I am at and if anyone makes fun of you or belittles you in any way I will be more than happy to kill them for you!   Fair enough?

   Have you seen any of the movies I mentioned in the previous post?   If not, what are your favorites?   I am looking forward to talking to you some more...

                             Your Friend,    Dr. Gor

Re:Extreme Films

yuanren — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:32:17 GMT

hey dr gor, thanks for letting me know know about this new group. extremely intriguing: however, i feel i might need a phd to converserse with u guys. don't get me wrong. i am disabled and i live thru movies. even tho i get more then the average bear ur group ur like the super heros of the movie worlds and i don't want to be chim-chim. i feel i have opinions to offer, i just may not be able to articullate as well as u and ur friends. i leave my fate in ur hands. i have thick skin. if i can take brain surgery i can take ur critizism, btw i can't spell and i don't even care, and i nvr lie, i'm brutely honest, but not intentionally cruel. u say the word and i'm gone, on the other hand, give homework and i'll watch a flick and give an opinion.

Sincerely, YuanRen

Dr_Gor:

   First off I would like to thank our host, Stinger839, for starting this most promising group!   The subject matter of Extreme Cinema has a lot of potential for some interesting conversations.   I think I will be here regularly talking about many movies that are near and dear to me!   So let's start this thing off with a 'bang', shall we?

   Last night when my partner Phantasma-Gore-ia and I became the first people to join this group we quickly discovered that we were not able to list any films on the existing group list so I started my own list called Extreme Films...   The first three movies I listed on here are legendary examples of Extreme Cinema.   First off, Deliverance ...   John Boorman's take on the infamous James Dickey novel is a phenomenal film that deals with man's survival instincts in the face of overwhelming odds.   Although most people can not get past the homosexual rape scene and the subsequent murders and Burt Reynold's compound fracture of his thigh bone that would make ANYBODY wince!   Yeah, this movie is a little bit over-the-top...   Next on the list is Mandingo .   This shocking story of slavery in the old South is nothing short of being 'politically incorrect' ...   Former heavy-weight boxing champion Ken Norton stars as 'Mede', a Mandingo warrior who is captured and sold to a wealthy southern family and is trained to be a "fightin' nigger" who is forced to fight against other slaves for the betting pleasure of his owner.   Sexual debauchery abounds in this perverse tale that ends with Mede being shot and boiled alive and 'pitchforked' to death! ...   Next is Pretty Baby ...  Brooke Shields made her movie debut in this shocker about prostitution in New Orleans.   Susan Sarandon is a prostitute in a New Orleans brothel who becomes pregnant and decides to keep her child.   That child (Brooke Shields) is raised in the brothel until she becomes 12 and then her virginity is auctioned off to the highest bidder.   About this time she becomes the obsession of a French photographer named Bellocq who is actually more interested in photographing he young girl than he is in touching her!   Although there is deffinately a physical relationship that is more hinted at than actually shown!   The thing is this...   12 year old Brooke Shields spends much of this movie running around naked!   This movie received a wide theatrical release back in the day and was a 'mainstream' movie!   Today this movie would be called 'kiddie-porn' and it would be illegal to even THINK about it!   That is pretty extreme in my book...

   Obviously no list of 'extreme' films would not be complete without the scariest, most disturbing Horror movie ever made so I must go now and add The Exorcist to my list as well as Nekromantik !

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Extreme Films

Dr_Gor — Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:16:10 GMT

First off I would like to thank our host, Stinger839, for starting this most promising group! The subject matter of Extreme Cinema has a lot of potential for some interesting conversations. I think I will be here regularly talking about many movies that are near and dear to me! So let's start this thing off with a 'bang', shall we?

Last night when my partner Phantasma-Gore-ia and I became the first people to join this group we quickly discovered that we were not able to list any films on the existing group list so I started my own list called Extreme Films... The first three movies I listed on here are legendary examples of Extreme Cinema. First off, Deliverance ... John Boorman's take on the infamous James Dickey novel is a phenomenal film that deals with man's survival instincts in the face of overwhelming odds. Although most people can not get past the homosexual rape scene and the subsequent murders and Burt Reynold's compound fracture of his thigh bone that would make ANYBODY wince! Yeah, this movie is a little bit over-the-top... Next on the list is Mandingo . This shocking story of slavery in the old South is nothing short of being 'politically incorrect' ... Former heavy-weight boxing champion Ken Norton stars as 'Mede', a Mandingo warrior who is captured and sold to a wealthy southern family and is trained to be a "fightin' nigger" who is forced to fight against other slaves for the betting pleasure of his owner. Sexual debauchery abounds in this perverse tale that ends with Mede being shot and boiled alive and 'pitchforked' to death! ... Next is Pretty Baby ... Brooke Shields made her movie debut in this shocker about prostitution in New Orleans. Susan Sarandon is a prostitute in a New Orleans brothel who becomes pregnant and decides to keep her child. That child (Brooke Shields) is raised in the brothel until she becomes 12 and then her virginity is auctioned off to the highest bidder. About this time she becomes the obsession of a French photographer named Bellocq who is actually more interested in photographing he young girl than he is in touching her! Although there is deffinately a physical relationship that is more hinted at than actually shown! The thing is this... 12 year old Brooke Shields spends much of this movie running around naked! This movie received a wide theatrical release back in the day and was a 'mainstream' movie! Today this movie would be called 'kiddie-porn' and it would be illegal to even THINK about it! That is pretty extreme in my book...

Obviously no list of 'extreme' films would not be complete without the scariest, most disturbing Horror movie ever made so I must go now and add The Exorcist to my list as well as Nekromantik !

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