list http://www.spout.com/ Recent community activity around Wizards on Spout Copyright 2005-9 Spout, LLC Spout RSS http://www.spout.com/images/SpoutLogoRSS.jpg http://www.spout.com/ 136 30 http://www.spout.com/films/Wizards/38704/default.aspx Title: Wizards
Year: 1987
Director: Ralph Bakshi
Plot: In this animated futuristic tale, a pair of twins must fight for domination of what is left of the world, the good man using the powers of magic in an attempt to save the Earth, and the evil twin taking advantage of the horrors of technology that again threaten to destroy everything. ~ Iotis Erlewine, All Movie Guide
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]]>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:38:34 GMTWizards1987Ralph BakshiIn this animated futuristic tale, a pair of twins must fight for domination of what is left of the world, the good man using the powers of magic in an attempt to save the Earth, and the evil twin taking advantage of the horrors of technology that again threaten to destroy everything. ~ Iotis Erlewine, All Movie Guide5Slightly Tagged (1-5)17263http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/t41753fysv7.jpghttp://www.spout.com/films/Wizards/38704/default.aspxFilm http://www.spout.com/groups/Filmgaming/Re_TOP_5_MOVIES_TO_TEACH_AN_ALIEN_ABOUT_EARTH/563/31648/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: rllewis
Post To: Filmgaming
Post Date: 6/24/2008 9:43:05 PM
Body: Let us give them some animation to think about. If we keep them confused long enough we could get an upper hand if they plan on attacking us. If they want to help us, these movies tell them that we really, really need help. Wizards (1977 Directed by Ralph Bakshi) - A vision of post-apocalyptic Earth where magic and mythic creators, are at war with technology. Spriited Away (2001 Directed by Hayao Miyazaki also known as Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi) - Art and Story for the sake of Art and Story. Shows that we humans can put effort toward something purely for the sake of creating something beautiful just because we can. Pinocchio (1940 Directed by Hamilton Luske and Ben Sharpsteen) - The classic story of a "non-human" trying to become human and has to learn several lessons the hard way. Nightmare Before Christmas (1993 Directed by Henry Selick (but Written and other things by Tim Burton) - Story of an outsider discovering beauty and love and trying to partake in it, but does not quite get it right. Pink Floyd The Wall (1982 Directed by Alan Parker) - A rock star who cannot handle life becomes insane. Also a story about someone that is surround by people but is very alone. Plus it will really mess with their minds. PAX, Robert +
]]>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:43:05 GMTrllewisFilmgaming6/24/2008 9:43:05 PMLet us give them some animation to think about. If we keep them confused long enough we could get an upper hand if they plan on attacking us. If they want to help us, these movies tell them that we really, really need help. Wizards (1977 Directed by Ralph Bakshi) - A vision of post-apocalyptic Earth where magic and mythic creators, are at war with technology. Spriited Away (2001 Directed by Hayao Miyazaki also known as Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi) - Art and Story for the sake of Art and Story. Shows that we humans can put effort toward something purely for the sake of creating something beautiful just because we can. Pinocchio (1940 Directed by Hamilton Luske and Ben Sharpsteen) - The classic story of a "non-human" trying to become human and has to learn several lessons the hard way. Nightmare Before Christmas (1993 Directed by Henry Selick (but Written and other things by Tim Burton) - Story of an outsider discovering beauty and love and trying to partake in it, but does not quite get it right. Pink Floyd The Wall (1982 Directed by Alan Parker) - A rock star who cannot handle life becomes insane. Also a story about someone that is surround by people but is very alone. Plus it will really mess with their minds. PAX, Robert + http://www.spout.com/blogs/shaunhuston/archive/2008/6/18/31392.aspx Post By: ShaunHuston
Post To: ShaunHuston filmblog
Post Date: 6/18/2008 9:01:57 PM
Body: The animation top ten was the first list and it got the evening off to a shaky start. The problems with this list run much deeper than its rather uninspired roster of, almost exclusively, Disney “classics”. Most fundamentally, animation is not a genre; it's a medium. However, it is also the case that in Hollywood, animation verges on being a genre, but the American animation genre of the 20th century is not the same as the genre in the 21st century except insofar as animation is treated as a medium for children's, or “family”, films. In the 20th century, as ably shown by the list, animation was more or less the new medium for musicals. In this millenium, music remains an important part of animated films, but they are less often actual musicals. They are, however, characterized by hyperreal computer animation and dialogue rich with “clever” asides and pop culture references. Does that make a genre? Maybe, but not one that has much in common with the prior century. The larger point is that in other parts of the world, and outside of the American corporate mainstream, animation is used to tell all kinds of stories, including those directed at adults. Even if one were to be biased towards older films in this “genre”, shouldn't there have been room for at least one film by someone like Ralph Bakshi? I don't know about anyone else, but seeing Wizards (1977) was, politically and aesthetically, an earth shattering experience for my eight or nine or ten year-old self, more profound, I would say than the original Star Wars. And certainly American Pop (1981) is enough of a cultural document, and marker for the form, to have been seriously considered for inclusion on the AFI's Top 10. I would also have looked to include one of Richard Linklater's forays into animation on the list (indeed, either Waking Life, 2001, or A Scanner Darkly, 2006, would have been nice companions to American Pop). But, staying within the scope of children's or family films, the lack of either of Brad Bird's eligible films, The Iron Giant (1999) and The Incredibles (2004), seems like a critical oversight, and perhaps reflective of the fact that many of the voters were, undoubtedly, simply mining their own childhoods when making their selections. (I'm not going to suggest specific alternate selections here because, as indicated above, I think that this list is inherently misconceived, and because I think most of the selections on the AFI list are more or less interchangeable in any event). Link to introduction. Originally posted on:Short-Circuit Signs
]]>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:01:57 GMTShaunHustonShaunHuston filmblog6/18/2008 9:01:57 PMThe animation top ten was the first list and it got the evening off to a shaky start. The problems with this list run much deeper than its rather uninspired roster of, almost exclusively, Disney “classics”. Most fundamentally, animation is not a genre; it's a medium. However, it is also the case that in Hollywood, animation verges on being a genre, but the American animation genre of the 20th century is not the same as the genre in the 21st century except insofar as animation is treated as a medium for children's, or “family”, films. In the 20th century, as ably shown by the list, animation was more or less the new medium for musicals. In this millenium, music remains an important part of animated films, but they are less often actual musicals. They are, however, characterized by hyperreal computer animation and dialogue rich with “clever” asides and pop culture references. Does that make a genre? Maybe, but not one that has much in common with the prior century. The larger point is that in other parts of the world, and outside of the American corporate mainstream, animation is used to tell all kinds of stories, including those directed at adults. Even if one were to be biased towards older films in this “genre”, shouldn't there have been room for at least one film by someone like Ralph Bakshi? I don't know about anyone else, but seeing Wizards (1977) was, politically and aesthetically, an earth shattering experience for my eight or nine or ten year-old self, more profound, I would say than the original Star Wars. And certainly American Pop (1981) is enough of a cultural document, and marker for the form, to have been seriously considered for inclusion on the AFI's Top 10. I would also have looked to include one of Richard Linklater's forays into animation on the list (indeed, either Waking Life, 2001, or A Scanner Darkly, 2006, would have been nice companions to American Pop). But, staying within the scope of children's or family films, the lack of either of Brad Bird's eligible films, The Iron Giant (1999) and The Incredibles (2004), seems like a critical oversight, and perhaps reflective of the fact that many of the voters were, undoubtedly, simply mining their own childhoods when making their selections. (I'm not going to suggest specific alternate selections here because, as indicated above, I think that this list is inherently misconceived, and because I think most of the selections on the AFI list are more or less interchangeable in any event). Link to introduction. Originally posted on:Short-Circuit Signs http://www.spout.com/blogs/cinemarian/archive/2008/5/13/29019.aspx Post By: CinemaRian
Post To: CinemaRian Blog
Post Date: 5/13/2008 9:34:49 PM
Body: The first time I saw Wizards I thought it was pretty stupid, and I dissmissed it. But then an odd thing happend. From time to time, images or moments in the film would come back to me. Finally, two years after I saw it the first time, I watched it again. I now see that it is a truly great film, with a style so unique it may be initially off-putting. Ralph Bakshi was the first American filmmaker to make animated movies for an adult audince. His breatkthough, the ultra-nihilistic Fritz the Cat was the first cartoon to get an X rating. Bakshi's work is not porn, but there is a lot sexual innudendo and situtions that can turn people off. His visuals, combines a lot of different styles- live action, rotoscope, traditional cell animation, often in the same shot. In Wizards, it creates a new cinematic world. The plot of the film takes some explaining. In the near future, World War III will break out and destroy the world as we know it. What humans that survive will become mutant creatures. However, the desstruction of civilization allows magic to emerge again, and the parts of the Earth that are healed are home to elves and fairies. A powerful sorcerress one day gives birth to twin wizards: the good Avatar (voice of Bob Holt), who allies himself with magic and the evil Black Wolf (Steve Gravers), who allies with technology. One day, they fight, and Avatar defeats his brother, but spares his life because he is family. Black Wolf retreats into the wastelands and is held at bay because his mutant armies have no disapline. But one day he discovers Nazi propaganda footage an old projector and uses it to control the mutants and invade the good lands. The only person who can stop them is the now-ancient Avatar, who leaves with his fairy student Elinore (Jesse Welles), the elf warrior Weehawk (Richard Romulas), and the android Peace (David Proval). Yes, I know what you are thinking- this sounds like something a Dungeons and Dragons geek would write in high school. What saves the movie from being an unbearable geekfest is the edge and darkness that Bakshi brings. Although Bakshi claims it's family film I don't think that's correct, unless you are okay with young children seeing mutant prostitutes or the horrors of WWII (I think if the movie came out today it would be rated PG-13). In a Bakshi universe, good does not always win over evil so we know that Black Wolf could win at the end. The other elements that Bakshi brings is suspense- Avatar is so old and weak that's we really question how he can possibly pull his quest off. The movie is also pretty deep, it has a lot to say about the power of the media, as well as many other ethical issues. This is such a unqiue film in style and execution that I reccomend it to all film fans as probably the best introduction to Bakshi possible. It also can take it's place along with The Wizard of Oz, Labyrnth and Jackson's The Lord of the Rings as one of the finest fantasy films ever made. Wizards (1977)
]]>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:34:49 GMTCinemaRianCinemaRian Blog5/13/2008 9:34:49 PMThe first time I saw Wizards I thought it was pretty stupid, and I dissmissed it. But then an odd thing happend. From time to time, images or moments in the film would come back to me. Finally, two years after I saw it the first time, I watched it again. I now see that it is a truly great film, with a style so unique it may be initially off-putting. Ralph Bakshi was the first American filmmaker to make animated movies for an adult audince. His breatkthough, the ultra-nihilistic Fritz the Cat was the first cartoon to get an X rating. Bakshi's work is not porn, but there is a lot sexual innudendo and situtions that can turn people off. His visuals, combines a lot of different styles- live action, rotoscope, traditional cell animation, often in the same shot. In Wizards, it creates a new cinematic world. The plot of the film takes some explaining. In the near future, World War III will break out and destroy the world as we know it. What humans that survive will become mutant creatures. However, the desstruction of civilization allows magic to emerge again, and the parts of the Earth that are healed are home to elves and fairies. A powerful sorcerress one day gives birth to twin wizards: the good Avatar (voice of Bob Holt), who allies himself with magic and the evil Black Wolf (Steve Gravers), who allies with technology. One day, they fight, and Avatar defeats his brother, but spares his life because he is family. Black Wolf retreats into the wastelands and is held at bay because his mutant armies have no disapline. But one day he discovers Nazi propaganda footage an old projector and uses it to control the mutants and invade the good lands. The only person who can stop them is the now-ancient Avatar, who leaves with his fairy student Elinore (Jesse Welles), the elf warrior Weehawk (Richard Romulas), and the android Peace (David Proval). Yes, I know what you are thinking- this sounds like something a Dungeons and Dragons geek would write in high school. What saves the movie from being an unbearable geekfest is the edge and darkness that Bakshi brings. Although Bakshi claims it's family film I don't think that's correct, unless you are okay with young children seeing mutant prostitutes or the horrors of WWII (I think if the movie came out today it would be rated PG-13). In a Bakshi universe, good does not always win over evil so we know that Black Wolf could win at the end. The other elements that Bakshi brings is suspense- Avatar is so old and weak that's we really question how he can possibly pull his quest off. The movie is also pretty deep, it has a lot to say about the power of the media, as well as many other ethical issues. This is such a unqiue film in style and execution that I reccomend it to all film fans as probably the best introduction to Bakshi possible. It also can take it's place along with The Wizard of Oz, Labyrnth and Jackson's The Lord of the Rings as one of the finest fantasy films ever made. Wizards (1977) http://www.spout.com/groups/missing_a_film/No_Help_At_All/263/25196/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Dr_Gor
Post To: missing a film
Post Date: 2/15/2008 7:27:39 PM
Body: It was nearly a year ago (11 months) since I posted a plea for help in this group and received absolutely no help at all. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. Not even the slightest crumb of evidence that might help point me in the right direction. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) , I happen to know the guy who started this group so I will complain to your CEO directly... Mr. Puhnner, it has been 20+ years and I am STILL searching for the R-rated version of Ralph Bakshi's Wizards ! I KNOW it exists because I've SEEN it! More than once! It is the original theatrical version! The only version that I have been able to find on tape or disc is a re-edited PG version that is missing some of the more graphic violence and a fairly graphic 'sex scene' between the wizard Avatar and the 'Rubinesque' little fairy girl... Can ANYONE help me find the original version of this cool movie?
]]>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:27:39 GMTDr_Gormissing a film2/15/2008 7:27:39 PM It was nearly a year ago (11 months) since I posted a plea for help in this group and received absolutely no help at all. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. Not even the slightest crumb of evidence that might help point me in the right direction. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) , I happen to know the guy who started this group so I will complain to your CEO directly... Mr. Puhnner, it has been 20+ years and I am STILL searching for the R-rated version of Ralph Bakshi's Wizards ! I KNOW it exists because I've SEEN it! More than once! It is the original theatrical version! The only version that I have been able to find on tape or disc is a re-edited PG version that is missing some of the more graphic violence and a fairly graphic 'sex scene' between the wizard Avatar and the 'Rubinesque' little fairy girl... Can ANYONE help me find the original version of this cool movie? http://www.spout.com/groups/Top_5/Re_Top_5_Post_Apocalyptic_Films/190/6679/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
Post To: Top 5
Post Date: 4/3/2007 10:52:06 AM
Body: [quote user="Dr_Gor"] 5. The Day The World Ended [/quote] Have you ever seen Wim Wenders' Der Stand der Dinge? I haven't, but according to the synopsis on IMDB, it is supposedly about a group of filmmakers trying to remake The Day the World Ended. It sounded curious.
]]>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:52:06 GMTRisseladaTop 54/3/2007 10:52:06 AM[quote user="Dr_Gor"] 5. The Day The World Ended [/quote] Have you ever seen Wim Wenders' Der Stand der Dinge? I haven't, but according to the synopsis on IMDB, it is supposedly about a group of filmmakers trying to remake The Day the World Ended. It sounded curious. http://www.spout.com/groups/Top_5/Re_Top_5_Post_Apocalyptic_Films/190/6663/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Dr_Gor
Post To: Top 5
Post Date: 4/2/2007 7:34:10 PM
Body: I have seen "A Boy And His Dog" with a very young Don Johnson, and it does not make my list... not even close... Here are mine : 1. The Omega Man 2. The Road Warrior 3. Soylent Green 4. The Ultimate Warrior 5. The Day The World Ended ... and, with your permission, I would have to add just one more... 6. Wizards
]]>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:34:10 GMTDr_GorTop 54/2/2007 7:34:10 PM I have seen "A Boy And His Dog" with a very young Don Johnson, and it does not make my list... not even close... Here are mine : 1. The Omega Man 2. The Road Warrior 3. Soylent Green 4. The Ultimate Warrior 5. The Day The World Ended ... and, with your permission, I would have to add just one more... 6. Wizards http://www.spout.com/groups/missing_a_film/Re_FilmBlur_Movies_and_Memory/263/6537/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Dr_Gor
Post To: missing a film
Post Date: 3/27/2007 8:39:34 PM
Body: Speaking of Ralph Bakshi's "WIZARDS", I saw this movie in the theater during it's initial release and it was definately rated 'R'! In fact, it received a lot of publicity over the fact that it was an 'R' rated animated feature... there was more graphic violence than in the modern version and even a fairly graphic 'sex-scene' between the wizard Avatar and the rubinesque 'fairy-girl'... and then, a few years later in the mid-eighties, the movie reappeared on cable and VHS as a re-edited 'PG' version... (!)... does anyone else remember this? And, more importantly, does anyone know where I might find the original 'R' rated version? I would love to add this to my collection...
]]>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:39:34 GMTDr_Gormissing a film3/27/2007 8:39:34 PM Speaking of Ralph Bakshi's "WIZARDS", I saw this movie in the theater during it's initial release and it was definately rated 'R'! In fact, it received a lot of publicity over the fact that it was an 'R' rated animated feature... there was more graphic violence than in the modern version and even a fairly graphic 'sex-scene' between the wizard Avatar and the rubinesque 'fairy-girl'... and then, a few years later in the mid-eighties, the movie reappeared on cable and VHS as a re-edited 'PG' version... (!)... does anyone else remember this? And, more importantly, does anyone know where I might find the original 'R' rated version? I would love to add this to my collection... http://www.spout.com/groups/missing_a_film/FilmBlur_Movies_and_Memory/263/6516/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: porcupine
Post To: missing a film
Post Date: 3/27/2007 11:56:30 AM
Body: Thinking about movies and memories, I thought of a twist on the Missing and Film dilemma. What about those movies you saw a long time ago that you do remember, but it's been so long that they begin to blur together with other similar movies? For me there are a group of fantasy films produced in the 80s that I saw as a child but haven't seen since. I'm now having trouble distinguishing characters and plot points from one to the next. Here are the films that are running together in my mind:The Dark CrystalLabyrinthWizardsWillow So film friends, which movies blur together in the distant recesses of your memory?
]]>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:56:30 GMTporcupinemissing a film3/27/2007 11:56:30 AMThinking about movies and memories, I thought of a twist on the Missing and Film dilemma. What about those movies you saw a long time ago that you do remember, but it's been so long that they begin to blur together with other similar movies? For me there are a group of fantasy films produced in the 80s that I saw as a child but haven't seen since. I'm now having trouble distinguishing characters and plot points from one to the next. Here are the films that are running together in my mind:The Dark CrystalLabyrinthWizardsWillow So film friends, which movies blur together in the distant recesses of your memory? http://www.spout.com/members/0/tags/future/MemberTagFilms.aspxfuture
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