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Year: 2008
Director: Nacho Vigalondo
Plot: An ordinary guy takes an extraordinary step through time in this science fiction thriller. Hector (Karra Elejalde) is spending a few days in the countryside with his girlfriend, Clara (Candela Fernández), when he sees something that catches his attention while playing with his binoculars. Looking at a nearby house near a wooded area, Hector spies a beautiful woman taking her clothes off, and decides to take a stroll and give her a closer look. However, when he arrives at the house several minutes later, the woman is lying in the grass and appears to either be dead or passed out. As Hector examines her, he's attacked by a strange man and flees on foot. Hector seeks refuge in a building that turns out to be a research facility owned by a mysterious scientist (Nacho Vigalondo), who gives him a place to hide inside a futuristic closet. However, Hector realizes it was actually a time-travel machine when he emerges a few minutes later and looks out the window to see himself standing over the unconscious woman in the distance. Los Cronocrimenes (aka Timecrimes) was the first feature film from writer and director Nacho Vigalondo, who also appears as the scientist. ~ Mark Deming, All Movie Guide
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]]>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:33:31 GMTTimecrimes2008Nacho VigalondoAn ordinary guy takes an extraordinary step through time in this science fiction thriller. Hector (Karra Elejalde) is spending a few days in the countryside with his girlfriend, Clara (Candela Fernández), when he sees something that catches his attention while playing with his binoculars. Looking at a nearby house near a wooded area, Hector spies a beautiful woman taking her clothes off, and decides to take a stroll and give her a closer look. However, when he arrives at the house several minutes later, the woman is lying in the grass and appears to either be dead or passed out. As Hector examines her, he's attacked by a strange man and flees on foot. Hector seeks refuge in a building that turns out to be a research facility owned by a mysterious scientist (Nacho Vigalondo), who gives him a place to hide inside a futuristic closet. However, Hector realizes it was actually a time-travel machine when he emerges a few minutes later and looks out the window to see himself standing over the unconscious woman in the distance. Los Cronocrimenes (aka Timecrimes) was the first feature film from writer and director Nacho Vigalondo, who also appears as the scientist. ~ Mark Deming, All Movie Guide30Tag Target (>10)811154http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/s354424.jpghttp://www.spout.com/films/Timecrimes/354424/default.aspxFilm http://www.spout.com/blogs/xbenjaminmichaelx/archive/2009/8/19/43627.aspx Post By: xBenjaminMichaelx
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Body: Time travel is a tricky subject. Many films attempt it, but a lot of films also mess it up. It’s a very touchy topic to take on. Timecrimes takes swing, and hits a home run. It’s one of the best movies involving time travel that I have ever seen. Timecrimes follows Hector; a man sent traveling back in time after being chased in the wilderness by a strange man with a bandaged face. There really isn’t much more to be said about the plot without giving away the twists and turns that it follows. I watched the film with the overdubbing. I can’t say anything about the subtitles, but the overdubbing could have been better, but wasn’t bad. At no point did I ever get distracted by the English in the film. The acting itself is hard to say, again, because it wasn’t the actors themselves speaking. The direction and writing of the film is very excellent, both tasks by Nacho Vigalondo. This is his first film behind the lens, and he is starting out incredibly strong. His shots are powerful, and there is not a wasted frame anywhere. He does a lot with his time, and makes it all worthwhile. Timecrimes is a must-see for any fan of time travel, sci-fi, and unexpected twists and turns.
]]>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:33:31 GMTxBenjaminMichaelxxBenjaminMichaelx Blog8/19/2009 1:33:31 AM Time travel is a tricky subject. Many films attempt it, but a lot of films also mess it up. It’s a very touchy topic to take on. Timecrimes takes swing, and hits a home run. It’s one of the best movies involving time travel that I have ever seen. Timecrimes follows Hector; a man sent traveling back in time after being chased in the wilderness by a strange man with a bandaged face. There really isn’t much more to be said about the plot without giving away the twists and turns that it follows. I watched the film with the overdubbing. I can’t say anything about the subtitles, but the overdubbing could have been better, but wasn’t bad. At no point did I ever get distracted by the English in the film. The acting itself is hard to say, again, because it wasn’t the actors themselves speaking. The direction and writing of the film is very excellent, both tasks by Nacho Vigalondo. This is his first film behind the lens, and he is starting out incredibly strong. His shots are powerful, and there is not a wasted frame anywhere. He does a lot with his time, and makes it all worthwhile. Timecrimes is a must-see for any fan of time travel, sci-fi, and unexpected twists and turns. http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_March_9_Time_Travel/625/41643/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: leeroy711
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Body: [quote user="Risselada"] [quote user="Risselada"] [quote user="leeroy711"] [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. [/quote] ***SPOILERS TO FOLLOW**** I think the kind of view of how time travel must work is essential in which types of time travel movies you will enjoy. Merc apparently does not see time travel in the same way that maybe I or the filmmakers do, but for me I thought it was brilliant! The guy KNEW that things had to go the the way that he remembered them happening to him from his perspective of events the first time he experienced them when he was experiencing them the second time. As far as he knew he had to do his best to make sure they would happen that way again. Although technically it wasn't as if they were happening AGAIN. They had already happened. He just didn't know HOW they were being caused to happen from his new perspective. There was no way they COULDN'T have happenedend that way, BUT he didn't know why they did. He wasn't able to understand, just like we as the audience weren't entirely sure of, if he had jumped into a new timeline or if he was still in the same one. It turns out at the end that he was always jumping back into the same timeline. If he had somehow decided to do something different. If he had went and ran up to the clone of himself that was living the experience from the first perspective, something that he knew didn't happen the first time he experienced it, would that have somehow thrown him into a new timeline? I don't know! And not knowing that is pretty fuckin scary! That could potentially alter his existance in completely unknowable and irreversible ways. I don't think he had time to even really ponder this excessively though. He just kind of knew he had to keep things going the way that they had been going. I think the third time he experienced it he still didn't know if he could change anything or not. He soon found out that he couldn't change what happened, but his understanding of different perspective of events changed. The most fascinating part of all of this to me is the examination of the idea of free will. The way we view time is usually a sequence of cause and effect actions. Will one cause always necessitate the same effect if all of the same physical factors are in place? Usually in scientific studies this is thought to be true, but is it also true for our minds? Will the exact same phsyical factors and effect on our senses at a particular moment in time in our lives always phsyically necessitate the same progression of thoughts and actions? If so, there seems to be no real things as free will. Now, that doesn't mean that this movie negates the fact of free will, but it does show a view of time in which your decisions are permanently tied to a permanent space-timeline even though you may have had a free will. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around, and I may be looking at it completely correctly. It has spritual implications too though. As in the question of, "If God knows everything you will do, how do you have a free will?" I guess just because God knows what you will do, it doesn't mean that he hasn't allowed you to make the choice. Although at times it does seem like a very difficult paradox. I of course am still wrestling with these ideas. [/quote] Have you ever seen a movie and thought about it a lot. And were just hoping someone else who saw it would mention it so you could start spitting out all your thoughts and be able to bounce them off other people and have a great discussion? That's what I was hoping would happen here!! Doesn't anyone have anything to say about this?? [/quote] I definately thought about this one for quite a bit, and I agree that this film actually did a great job of exploring the concepts of free-will. But I don't know, it really seemed more than anything that the only thing restricting this character's free will was his fear of the whole butterfly effect thing. In short, he had free will, he was just too afraid to do anything different than what he had allready done (huh??) because he felt the need for whatever he knew was going to happen (or allready happened) to remain the same....... But I think I just said almost the same thing you did. Damn it. The more you discuss this film, the more you can get lost in it...... But anyway, I wish I had more time, because it really deserves it. I'll try to revisit this one a bit. I will say that (I'm sure you'll disagree Rizzo) I actually thought that everthing that this film did, was actually done better by Primer. That movie used those same concepts and then added about 4 or 5 layers of other shit to think about. I loved that it was completely unapologetically complicated. And I think that it will hold up better than Timecrimes to repeated viewing.
]]>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:27:06 GMTleeroy711Weekly Theme4/17/2009 9:27:06 PM[quote user="Risselada"] [quote user="Risselada"] [quote user="leeroy711"] [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. [/quote] ***SPOILERS TO FOLLOW**** I think the kind of view of how time travel must work is essential in which types of time travel movies you will enjoy. Merc apparently does not see time travel in the same way that maybe I or the filmmakers do, but for me I thought it was brilliant! The guy KNEW that things had to go the the way that he remembered them happening to him from his perspective of events the first time he experienced them when he was experiencing them the second time. As far as he knew he had to do his best to make sure they would happen that way again. Although technically it wasn't as if they were happening AGAIN. They had already happened. He just didn't know HOW they were being caused to happen from his new perspective. There was no way they COULDN'T have happenedend that way, BUT he didn't know why they did. He wasn't able to understand, just like we as the audience weren't entirely sure of, if he had jumped into a new timeline or if he was still in the same one. It turns out at the end that he was always jumping back into the same timeline. If he had somehow decided to do something different. If he had went and ran up to the clone of himself that was living the experience from the first perspective, something that he knew didn't happen the first time he experienced it, would that have somehow thrown him into a new timeline? I don't know! And not knowing that is pretty fuckin scary! That could potentially alter his existance in completely unknowable and irreversible ways. I don't think he had time to even really ponder this excessively though. He just kind of knew he had to keep things going the way that they had been going. I think the third time he experienced it he still didn't know if he could change anything or not. He soon found out that he couldn't change what happened, but his understanding of different perspective of events changed. The most fascinating part of all of this to me is the examination of the idea of free will. The way we view time is usually a sequence of cause and effect actions. Will one cause always necessitate the same effect if all of the same physical factors are in place? Usually in scientific studies this is thought to be true, but is it also true for our minds? Will the exact same phsyical factors and effect on our senses at a particular moment in time in our lives always phsyically necessitate the same progression of thoughts and actions? If so, there seems to be no real things as free will. Now, that doesn't mean that this movie negates the fact of free will, but it does show a view of time in which your decisions are permanently tied to a permanent space-timeline even though you may have had a free will. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around, and I may be looking at it completely correctly. It has spritual implications too though. As in the question of, "If God knows everything you will do, how do you have a free will?" I guess just because God knows what you will do, it doesn't mean that he hasn't allowed you to make the choice. Although at times it does seem like a very difficult paradox. I of course am still wrestling with these ideas. [/quote] Have you ever seen a movie and thought about it a lot. And were just hoping someone else who saw it would mention it so you could start spitting out all your thoughts and be able to bounce them off other people and have a great discussion? That's what I was hoping would happen here!! Doesn't anyone have anything to say about this?? [/quote] I definately thought about this one for quite a bit, and I agree that this film actually did a great job of exploring the concepts of free-will. But I don't know, it really seemed more than anything that the only thing restricting this character's free will was his fear of the whole butterfly effect thing. In short, he had free will, he was just too afraid to do anything different than what he had allready done (huh??) because he felt the need for whatever he knew was going to happen (or allready happened) to remain the same....... But I think I just said almost the same thing you did. Damn it. The more you discuss this film, the more you can get lost in it...... But anyway, I wish I had more time, because it really deserves it. I'll try to revisit this one a bit. I will say that (I'm sure you'll disagree Rizzo) I actually thought that everthing that this film did, was actually done better by Primer. That movie used those same concepts and then added about 4 or 5 layers of other shit to think about. I loved that it was completely unapologetically complicated. And I think that it will hold up better than Timecrimes to repeated viewing. http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_March_9_Time_Travel/625/41634/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
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Body: [quote user="Risselada"] [quote user="leeroy711"] [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. [/quote] ***SPOILERS TO FOLLOW**** I think the kind of view of how time travel must work is essential in which types of time travel movies you will enjoy. Merc apparently does not see time travel in the same way that maybe I or the filmmakers do, but for me I thought it was brilliant! The guy KNEW that things had to go the the way that he remembered them happening to him from his perspective of events the first time he experienced them when he was experiencing them the second time. As far as he knew he had to do his best to make sure they would happen that way again. Although technically it wasn't as if they were happening AGAIN. They had already happened. He just didn't know HOW they were being caused to happen from his new perspective. There was no way they COULDN'T have happenedend that way, BUT he didn't know why they did. He wasn't able to understand, just like we as the audience weren't entirely sure of, if he had jumped into a new timeline or if he was still in the same one. It turns out at the end that he was always jumping back into the same timeline. If he had somehow decided to do something different. If he had went and ran up to the clone of himself that was living the experience from the first perspective, something that he knew didn't happen the first time he experienced it, would that have somehow thrown him into a new timeline? I don't know! And not knowing that is pretty fuckin scary! That could potentially alter his existance in completely unknowable and irreversible ways. I don't think he had time to even really ponder this excessively though. He just kind of knew he had to keep things going the way that they had been going. I think the third time he experienced it he still didn't know if he could change anything or not. He soon found out that he couldn't change what happened, but his understanding of different perspective of events changed. The most fascinating part of all of this to me is the examination of the idea of free will. The way we view time is usually a sequence of cause and effect actions. Will one cause always necessitate the same effect if all of the same physical factors are in place? Usually in scientific studies this is thought to be true, but is it also true for our minds? Will the exact same phsyical factors and effect on our senses at a particular moment in time in our lives always phsyically necessitate the same progression of thoughts and actions? If so, there seems to be no real things as free will. Now, that doesn't mean that this movie negates the fact of free will, but it does show a view of time in which your decisions are permanently tied to a permanent space-timeline even though you may have had a free will. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around, and I may be looking at it completely correctly. It has spritual implications too though. As in the question of, "If God knows everything you will do, how do you have a free will?" I guess just because God knows what you will do, it doesn't mean that he hasn't allowed you to make the choice. Although at times it does seem like a very difficult paradox. I of course am still wrestling with these ideas. [/quote] Have you ever seen a movie and thought about it a lot. And were just hoping someone else who saw it would mention it so you could start spitting out all your thoughts and be able to bounce them off other people and have a great discussion? That's what I was hoping would happen here!! Doesn't anyone have anything to say about this??
]]>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:55:53 GMTRisseladaWeekly Theme4/17/2009 1:55:53 PM[quote user="Risselada"] [quote user="leeroy711"] [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. [/quote] ***SPOILERS TO FOLLOW**** I think the kind of view of how time travel must work is essential in which types of time travel movies you will enjoy. Merc apparently does not see time travel in the same way that maybe I or the filmmakers do, but for me I thought it was brilliant! The guy KNEW that things had to go the the way that he remembered them happening to him from his perspective of events the first time he experienced them when he was experiencing them the second time. As far as he knew he had to do his best to make sure they would happen that way again. Although technically it wasn't as if they were happening AGAIN. They had already happened. He just didn't know HOW they were being caused to happen from his new perspective. There was no way they COULDN'T have happenedend that way, BUT he didn't know why they did. He wasn't able to understand, just like we as the audience weren't entirely sure of, if he had jumped into a new timeline or if he was still in the same one. It turns out at the end that he was always jumping back into the same timeline. If he had somehow decided to do something different. If he had went and ran up to the clone of himself that was living the experience from the first perspective, something that he knew didn't happen the first time he experienced it, would that have somehow thrown him into a new timeline? I don't know! And not knowing that is pretty fuckin scary! That could potentially alter his existance in completely unknowable and irreversible ways. I don't think he had time to even really ponder this excessively though. He just kind of knew he had to keep things going the way that they had been going. I think the third time he experienced it he still didn't know if he could change anything or not. He soon found out that he couldn't change what happened, but his understanding of different perspective of events changed. The most fascinating part of all of this to me is the examination of the idea of free will. The way we view time is usually a sequence of cause and effect actions. Will one cause always necessitate the same effect if all of the same physical factors are in place? Usually in scientific studies this is thought to be true, but is it also true for our minds? Will the exact same phsyical factors and effect on our senses at a particular moment in time in our lives always phsyically necessitate the same progression of thoughts and actions? If so, there seems to be no real things as free will. Now, that doesn't mean that this movie negates the fact of free will, but it does show a view of time in which your decisions are permanently tied to a permanent space-timeline even though you may have had a free will. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around, and I may be looking at it completely correctly. It has spritual implications too though. As in the question of, "If God knows everything you will do, how do you have a free will?" I guess just because God knows what you will do, it doesn't mean that he hasn't allowed you to make the choice. Although at times it does seem like a very difficult paradox. I of course am still wrestling with these ideas. [/quote] Have you ever seen a movie and thought about it a lot. And were just hoping someone else who saw it would mention it so you could start spitting out all your thoughts and be able to bounce them off other people and have a great discussion? That's what I was hoping would happen here!! Doesn't anyone have anything to say about this?? http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_March_9_Time_Travel/625/41539/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
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Post Date: 4/10/2009 1:15:13 PM
Body: [quote user="leeroy711"] [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. [/quote] ***SPOILERS TO FOLLOW**** I think the kind of view of how time travel must work is essential in which types of time travel movies you will enjoy. Merc apparently does not see time travel in the same way that maybe I or the filmmakers do, but for me I thought it was brilliant! The guy KNEW that things had to go the the way that he remembered them happening to him from his perspective of events the first time he experienced them when he was experiencing them the second time. As far as he knew he had to do his best to make sure they would happen that way again. Although technically it wasn't as if they were happening AGAIN. They had already happened. He just didn't know HOW they were being caused to happen from his new perspective. There was no way they COULDN'T have happenedend that way, BUT he didn't know why they did. He wasn't able to understand, just like we as the audience weren't entirely sure of, if he had jumped into a new timeline or if he was still in the same one. It turns out at the end that he was always jumping back into the same timeline. If he had somehow decided to do something different. If he had went and ran up to the clone of himself that was living the experience from the first perspective, something that he knew didn't happen the first time he experienced it, would that have somehow thrown him into a new timeline? I don't know! And not knowing that is pretty fuckin scary! That could potentially alter his existance in completely unknowable and irreversible ways. I don't think he had time to even really ponder this excessively though. He just kind of knew he had to keep things going the way that they had been going. I think the third time he experienced it he still didn't know if he could change anything or not. He soon found out that he couldn't change what happened, but his understanding of different perspective of events changed. The most fascinating part of all of this to me is the examination of the idea of free will. The way we view time is usually a sequence of cause and effect actions. Will one cause always necessitate the same effect if all of the same physical factors are in place? Usually in scientific studies this is thought to be true, but is it also true for our minds? Will the exact same phsyical factors and effect on our senses at a particular moment in time in our lives always phsyically necessitate the same progression of thoughts and actions? If so, there seems to be no real things as free will. Now, that doesn't mean that this movie negates the fact of free will, but it does show a view of time in which your decisions are permanently tied to a permanent space-timeline even though you may have had a free will. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around, and I may be looking at it completely correctly. It has spritual implications too though. As in the question of, "If God knows everything you will do, how do you have a free will?" I guess just because God knows what you will do, it doesn't mean that he hasn't allowed you to make the choice. Although at times it does seem like a very difficult paradox. I of course am still wrestling with these ideas.
]]>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:15:13 GMTRisseladaWeekly Theme4/10/2009 1:15:13 PM[quote user="leeroy711"] [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. [/quote] ***SPOILERS TO FOLLOW**** I think the kind of view of how time travel must work is essential in which types of time travel movies you will enjoy. Merc apparently does not see time travel in the same way that maybe I or the filmmakers do, but for me I thought it was brilliant! The guy KNEW that things had to go the the way that he remembered them happening to him from his perspective of events the first time he experienced them when he was experiencing them the second time. As far as he knew he had to do his best to make sure they would happen that way again. Although technically it wasn't as if they were happening AGAIN. They had already happened. He just didn't know HOW they were being caused to happen from his new perspective. There was no way they COULDN'T have happenedend that way, BUT he didn't know why they did. He wasn't able to understand, just like we as the audience weren't entirely sure of, if he had jumped into a new timeline or if he was still in the same one. It turns out at the end that he was always jumping back into the same timeline. If he had somehow decided to do something different. If he had went and ran up to the clone of himself that was living the experience from the first perspective, something that he knew didn't happen the first time he experienced it, would that have somehow thrown him into a new timeline? I don't know! And not knowing that is pretty fuckin scary! That could potentially alter his existance in completely unknowable and irreversible ways. I don't think he had time to even really ponder this excessively though. He just kind of knew he had to keep things going the way that they had been going. I think the third time he experienced it he still didn't know if he could change anything or not. He soon found out that he couldn't change what happened, but his understanding of different perspective of events changed. The most fascinating part of all of this to me is the examination of the idea of free will. The way we view time is usually a sequence of cause and effect actions. Will one cause always necessitate the same effect if all of the same physical factors are in place? Usually in scientific studies this is thought to be true, but is it also true for our minds? Will the exact same phsyical factors and effect on our senses at a particular moment in time in our lives always phsyically necessitate the same progression of thoughts and actions? If so, there seems to be no real things as free will. Now, that doesn't mean that this movie negates the fact of free will, but it does show a view of time in which your decisions are permanently tied to a permanent space-timeline even though you may have had a free will. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around, and I may be looking at it completely correctly. It has spritual implications too though. As in the question of, "If God knows everything you will do, how do you have a free will?" I guess just because God knows what you will do, it doesn't mean that he hasn't allowed you to make the choice. Although at times it does seem like a very difficult paradox. I of course am still wrestling with these ideas. http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_March_9_Time_Travel/625/41439/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: leeroy711
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Post Date: 4/3/2009 9:38:19 PM
Body: [quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken.
]]>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:38:19 GMTleeroy711Weekly Theme4/3/2009 9:38:19 PM[quote user="mercurial"] [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. [/quote] He couldn't avoid the actions he had already taken. http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_March_9_Time_Travel/625/41425/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: mercurial
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Post Date: 4/3/2009 12:44:38 PM
Body: [quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me.
]]>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:44:38 GMTmercurialWeekly Theme4/3/2009 12:44:38 PM[quote user="Risselada"] Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. [/quote] For whatever reason I just couldn't get into Timecrimes. Throughout the entire film I was overly critical of the main character's motives for continuing to pursue the actions that it was clear he could avoid. For being a relatively low budget film it was shot and constructed incredibly well, but after watching the film and then watching the chronological version of the film included on the DVD, I still found that the main characters actions were just too ridiculous. But apparently it's just me. http://www.spout.com/blogs/wonga/archive/2009/3/22/41177.aspx Post By: wonga
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Post Date: 3/22/2009 10:33:37 AM
Body: this is a wonderful movie, which i don't understand and which i couldn't explain if i had to! its a great twisty story that will have you thinking and rethinking everything you know (when it comes out on DVD i'm going to see if i can figure it out by watching it again). i don't really fall into the mystery/horror/sci-fi demographic but i found it very entertaining.
]]>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:33:37 GMTwongawonga's filmblog3/22/2009 10:33:37 AMthis is a wonderful movie, which i don't understand and which i couldn't explain if i had to! its a great twisty story that will have you thinking and rethinking everything you know (when it comes out on DVD i'm going to see if i can figure it out by watching it again). i don't really fall into the mystery/horror/sci-fi demographic but i found it very entertaining. http://www.spout.com/blogs/risselada/archive/2009/3/12/40998.aspx Post By: Risselada
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Post Date: 3/12/2009 3:17:45 PM
Body: Los Cronocrímenes (Timecrimes) If you are a fan of time travel movies, or any kind of time travel fiction, or are interested in the practical or philosophical ins and outs of time travel paradoxes at all, YOU SHOULD REALLY SEE Timecrimes! ...however DO NOT WATCH THE TRAILER. It gives too much away. Don't even read a synopsis. It's a Spanish movie that was playing around some of the theatres that tend to show more foreign or independent fare. I caught it at The Music Box Theatre in Chicago and am glad I did! This is probably now my new favorite time-travel film, even more so than Twelve Monkeys. I still think Twelve Monkeys is a better and more enjoyable movie overall, but as far as looking strictly at the time travel aspect, Timecrimes is the best movie in this category. Ok so the acting wasn't necessarily the greatest, although it wasn't bad. And some of the dialogue was a little bit cheesy or unnatural. The the script and execution of most of the plot was great. It looks like Hollywood is actually remaking this thing, and I think with the right actors and the right frame of mind they could make it even better! Of course Hollywood has a tendency of adding tons of unnecessary crap that they think will help sell the picture and totally miss the point, so for now I'm glad that I'll always have the original if I need to watch it again. I won't go into any of the specifics of the plot at all. I won't even talk about why I won't talk about it. Because you don't need to know. You shouldn't know. You should just go and watch as soon as you are able to. And again DON'T WATCH THE TRAILER. DON'T READ ANYMORE ABOUT THE MOVIE. Just watch it. You trust me right? Hopefully it will be on DVD for everyone to see soon. And for the people who have seen it, feel free to message me to talk about it. Rating: 9/10
]]>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:17:45 GMTRisseladaRisselada Blog3/12/2009 3:17:45 PMLos Cronocrímenes (Timecrimes) If you are a fan of time travel movies, or any kind of time travel fiction, or are interested in the practical or philosophical ins and outs of time travel paradoxes at all, YOU SHOULD REALLY SEE Timecrimes! ...however DO NOT WATCH THE TRAILER. It gives too much away. Don't even read a synopsis. It's a Spanish movie that was playing around some of the theatres that tend to show more foreign or independent fare. I caught it at The Music Box Theatre in Chicago and am glad I did! This is probably now my new favorite time-travel film, even more so than Twelve Monkeys. I still think Twelve Monkeys is a better and more enjoyable movie overall, but as far as looking strictly at the time travel aspect, Timecrimes is the best movie in this category. Ok so the acting wasn't necessarily the greatest, although it wasn't bad. And some of the dialogue was a little bit cheesy or unnatural. The the script and execution of most of the plot was great. It looks like Hollywood is actually remaking this thing, and I think with the right actors and the right frame of mind they could make it even better! Of course Hollywood has a tendency of adding tons of unnecessary crap that they think will help sell the picture and totally miss the point, so for now I'm glad that I'll always have the original if I need to watch it again. I won't go into any of the specifics of the plot at all. I won't even talk about why I won't talk about it. Because you don't need to know. You shouldn't know. You should just go and watch as soon as you are able to. And again DON'T WATCH THE TRAILER. DON'T READ ANYMORE ABOUT THE MOVIE. Just watch it. You trust me right? Hopefully it will be on DVD for everyone to see soon. And for the people who have seen it, feel free to message me to talk about it. Rating: 9/10 http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_March_9_Time_Travel/625/40927/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
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Post Date: 3/10/2009 12:18:59 PM
Body: Before I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see.
]]>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:18:59 GMTRisseladaWeekly Theme3/10/2009 12:18:59 PMBefore I add any more I just want to say up front that if anyone is a fan of time travel movies and you haven't seen Timecrimes yet, try to do so as soon as possible. I saw it at a cool theatre here in Chicago, but it's probably not playing anymore. Hopefully it will be out on DVD soon for everyone. Looks like there is a Hollywood remake in the works too. It has the potential to be GREAT with a bigger budget and better actors, but it's also possible for Hollywood to really fuck it up with unecessary Hollywood crap as well, so we'll see. http://www.spout.com/groups/HORROR_MOVIES_101/Re_The_Last_House_on_the_Left_2009/222/40256/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
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Post Date: 2/4/2009 5:50:46 PM
Body: [quote user="seely"] [quote user="TheDemonLo"] The trailers look decent, but I'm mad at how much they show. The art of the trailer is lost. [/quote] I missed this in your post earlier! I couldn't agree more! Trailers nowdays seem to either give away EVERYTHING, all the funny lines, the plot, even the ending... or they are so jumbled and confusing you have no interest in seeing the film because you have absolutely no idea what its about! [/quote] I agree. I'm done watching trailers. DON'T watch the trailer for Timecrimes. I happened to watch it out of curiosity as to how they were advertising it after I watched the movie. I was pissed at some of the things they revealed!
]]>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:50:46 GMTRisseladaHORROR MOVIES 1012/4/2009 5:50:46 PM[quote user="seely"] [quote user="TheDemonLo"] The trailers look decent, but I'm mad at how much they show. The art of the trailer is lost. [/quote] I missed this in your post earlier! I couldn't agree more! Trailers nowdays seem to either give away EVERYTHING, all the funny lines, the plot, even the ending... or they are so jumbled and confusing you have no interest in seeing the film because you have absolutely no idea what its about! [/quote] I agree. I'm done watching trailers. DON'T watch the trailer for Timecrimes. I happened to watch it out of curiosity as to how they were advertising it after I watched the movie. I was pissed at some of the things they revealed! http://www.spout.com/members/0/tags/action/MemberTagFilms.aspxaction
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