list http://www.spout.com/ Recent community activity around Before the Devil Knows You're Dead on Spout Copyright 2005-9 Spout, LLC Spout RSS http://www.spout.com/images/SpoutLogoRSS.jpg http://www.spout.com/ 136 30 http://www.spout.com/films/Before_the_Devil_Knows_You_re_Dead/284003/default.aspx Title: Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
Year: 2007
Director: Sidney Lumet
Plot: Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ethan Hawke, Albert Finney, and Marisa Tomei star in director Sidney Lumet's thriller concerning two brothers who hatch a plan to rob their parent's jewelry store. When the job goes awry, the entire family is set on a collision course with tragedy. ~ Jason Buchanan, All Movie Guide
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]]>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:35:43 GMTBefore the Devil Knows You're Dead2007Sidney Lumet<a href="/players/P____32716/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Philip Seymour Hoffman</a>, <a href="/players/P____31094/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Ethan Hawke</a>, <a href="/players/P____23545/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Albert Finney</a>, and <a href="/players/P____71267/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Marisa Tomei</a> star in director <a href="/players/P___100370/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Sidney Lumet</a>'s thriller concerning two brothers who hatch a plan to rob their parent's jewelry store. When the job goes awry, the entire family is set on a collision course with tragedy. ~ Jason Buchanan, All Movie Guide14Tag Target (>10)191143http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/s284003.jpghttp://www.spout.com/films/Before_the_Devil_Knows_You_re_Dead/284003/default.aspxFilm http://www.spout.com/blogs/christhilk/archive/2008/12/12/38326.aspx Post By: ChrisThilk
Post To: ChrisThilk Blog
Post Date: 12/12/2008 7:00:43 PM
Body: The family depicted in Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead is certainly not one that you would want to spend any time with. One brother is sleeping with the other one’s wife. The second one is snorting coke and planning a robbery of their parents’ jewelry store in order to get what he feels will be some easy cash for the both of them. But the movie is certainly worth spending time viewing. Ethan Hawke, Philip Seymour Hoffman and the rest of the cast are out there on a limb, all of them, in their performances. It’s like watching some sort of experimental theater production filled with risk-taking performances. All of those are directed with ease by veteran director Sidney Lumet in his last screen effort. It’s a worthy snapshot of his incredible career.        Originally posted on:Chris Thilk
]]>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:00:43 GMTChrisThilkChrisThilk Blog12/12/2008 7:00:43 PMThe family depicted in Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead is certainly not one that you would want to spend any time with. One brother is sleeping with the other one’s wife. The second one is snorting coke and planning a robbery of their parents’ jewelry store in order to get what he feels will be some easy cash for the both of them. But the movie is certainly worth spending time viewing. Ethan Hawke, Philip Seymour Hoffman and the rest of the cast are out there on a limb, all of them, in their performances. It’s like watching some sort of experimental theater production filled with risk-taking performances. All of those are directed with ease by veteran director Sidney Lumet in his last screen effort. It’s a worthy snapshot of his incredible career.        Originally posted on:Chris Thilk http://www.spout.com/groups/Community_Recommendations/Re_Collaboration_Best_Films_of_2008/643/38302/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: seven-ate-9
Post To: Community Recommendations
Post Date: 12/12/2008 1:31:05 PM
Body: Delighted me: (Sorry if a bunch of these are 2007, I have a one-year old and I'm just getting caught up) Redbelt (2008) Kung Fu Panda (2008) JCVD (2008) (In my opinion, Van Damme's "CopLand") Rocket Science The Fall The Promotion (SWS really impressed me) Chop Shop (Shows you a part of NYC I guarantee you haven't seen before) In Search of a Midnight Kiss (hysterical) Before the Devil Knows You're Dead Eagle vs. Shark Iron Man Let me down: Pineapple Express Zack and Miri All the boys love Mandy Lane The Wackness Sex and the City Wanted (atrocious is too light a word)
]]>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:31:05 GMTseven-ate-9Community Recommendations12/12/2008 1:31:05 PMDelighted me: (Sorry if a bunch of these are 2007, I have a one-year old and I'm just getting caught up) Redbelt (2008) Kung Fu Panda (2008) JCVD (2008) (In my opinion, Van Damme's "CopLand") Rocket Science The Fall The Promotion (SWS really impressed me) Chop Shop (Shows you a part of NYC I guarantee you haven't seen before) In Search of a Midnight Kiss (hysterical) Before the Devil Knows You're Dead Eagle vs. Shark Iron Man Let me down: Pineapple Express Zack and Miri All the boys love Mandy Lane The Wackness Sex and the City Wanted (atrocious is too light a word) http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_November_17_In_The_Nude/625/37470/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: leeroy711
Post To: Weekly Theme
Post Date: 11/19/2008 8:30:14 PM
Body: [quote user="mercurial"] A lot of boobies [/quote] I cried a little after reading your post Merc. Also worth a mention is Marisa Tomei in Before The Devil Knows You're Dead.
]]>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:30:14 GMTleeroy711Weekly Theme11/19/2008 8:30:14 PM[quote user="mercurial"] A lot of boobies [/quote] I cried a little after reading your post Merc. Also worth a mention is Marisa Tomei in Before The Devil Knows You're Dead. http://www.spout.com/blogs/jimbell/archive/2008/9/27/35630.aspx Post By: JimBell
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Post Date: 9/27/2008 1:39:56 AM
Body: It is difficult to get involved in Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead (2007) because all the characters are repulsive. The older brother is a sleazy executive with a serious drug addiction and a failing marriage. The younger brother is a gutless wimp trying to pay alimony. They decide to rob their parents’ jewellery store, and the older brother weasels out, and the younger one hires a petty criminal to do the job. No one is supposed to get hurt, but two people die and the family self-destructs. The structure of the film makes it even more difficult to identify with the characters because, after the robbery, we get a series of flashbacks. We’ve already seen the tragedy; the flashbacks explain the why but do not generate empathy for the characters. Then people start picking up some of the loose ends of the failed robbery, but should we feel anxious that the guys might get caught or should we hope they are tracked down, drawn, and quartered? If you’re not confused about which way to feel, you probably hope they will get caught, and the sings quickly multiply that they will get found out somehow. I’m not sure where the suspense comes in. A minor character (a jeweller and a fence) states the movie’s salient theme: “The world is an evil place, Charlie. Some of us make money off of it; others get destroyed.” Yes, the movie says, life can be this bad. The stellar cast is constantly emoting, always distressed, nearly over-the-top. The sets are hard, harsh, and often in a cold light. The music is usually mechanical and constricted. The title gives fair warning: “Devil” and “Dead” are the two key words. This is a movie of relentless and ubiquitous evil.
]]>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:39:56 GMTJimBellJimBell Blog9/27/2008 1:39:56 AMIt is difficult to get involved in Before the Devil Knows You&rsquo;re Dead (2007) because all the characters are repulsive. The older brother is a sleazy executive with a serious drug addiction and a failing marriage. The younger brother is a gutless wimp trying to pay alimony. They decide to rob their parents&rsquo; jewellery store, and the older brother weasels out, and the younger one hires a petty criminal to do the job. No one is supposed to get hurt, but two people die and the family self-destructs. The structure of the film makes it even more difficult to identify with the characters because, after the robbery, we get a series of flashbacks. We&rsquo;ve already seen the tragedy; the flashbacks explain the why but do not generate empathy for the characters. Then people start picking up some of the loose ends of the failed robbery, but should we feel anxious that the guys might get caught or should we hope they are tracked down, drawn, and quartered? If you&rsquo;re not confused about which way to feel, you probably hope they will get caught, and the sings quickly multiply that they will get found out somehow. I&rsquo;m not sure where the suspense comes in. A minor character (a jeweller and a fence) states the movie&rsquo;s salient theme: &ldquo;The world is an evil place, Charlie. Some of us make money off of it; others get destroyed.&rdquo; Yes, the movie says, life can be this bad. The stellar cast is constantly emoting, always distressed, nearly over-the-top. The sets are hard, harsh, and often in a cold light. The music is usually mechanical and constricted. The title gives fair warning: &ldquo;Devil&rdquo; and &ldquo;Dead&rdquo; are the two key words. This is a movie of relentless and ubiquitous evil. http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_September_8_The_Heist/625/34976/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: SkyPilot
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Post Date: 9/10/2008 9:38:20 AM
Body: Ocean's 13 is a heist movie with a social conscience, and that makes it my favorite. Favorite heist scene? Gotta be The Dark Knight, seeing the Joker ensure he's the only surviving robber. Heat has two really gripping heist scenes (the money truck and the bank). The bank heist explodes into one of the most intense & realistic action sequences I've ever seen. I didn't like Before the Devil Knows You're Dead very much, but it includes a heart-wrenching scene of a heist gone wrong. I don't recommend The Bank Job. SpoutBlog writer Stephen Boone watched it with ex-cons in a halfway house. Their perspective is pretty interesting.
]]>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:38:20 GMTSkyPilotWeekly Theme9/10/2008 9:38:20 AMOcean's 13 is a heist movie with a social conscience, and that makes it my favorite. Favorite heist scene? Gotta be The Dark Knight, seeing the Joker ensure he's the only surviving robber. Heat has two really gripping heist scenes (the money truck and the bank). The bank heist explodes into one of the most intense &amp; realistic action sequences I've ever seen. I didn't like Before the Devil Knows You're Dead very much, but it includes a heart-wrenching scene of a heist gone wrong. I don't recommend The Bank Job. SpoutBlog writer Stephen Boone watched it with ex-cons in a halfway house. Their perspective is pretty interesting. http://www.spout.com/blogs/tenenbaums/archive/2008/7/23/32938.aspx Post By: Tenenbaums
Post To: Tenenbaums Blog
Post Date: 7/23/2008 10:41:44 AM
Body: What an awful waste of talent. Though it starts out interesting, every element of this movie quickly falls apart into a wannabe-Shakespearean tragedy that isn't even good for cathartic moments. Even the masterful Philip Seymour Hoffman overacts to the point of annoyance, but it's not entirely his fault. His character's actions, like the rest in this tiresome mess, are not believablem, a sure sign of lazy writing. The characters are trapped somewhere between comic-book conventions and superdrama, in a no-man's-land of ridiculousness. Save time and preserve your high opinion of Hoffman by skipping this dumb dumb movie.
]]>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:41:44 GMTTenenbaumsTenenbaums Blog7/23/2008 10:41:44 AMWhat an awful waste of talent. Though it starts out interesting, every element of this movie quickly falls apart into a wannabe-Shakespearean tragedy that isn't even good for cathartic moments. Even the masterful Philip Seymour Hoffman overacts to the point of annoyance, but it's not entirely his fault. His character's actions, like the rest in this tiresome mess, are not believablem, a sure sign of lazy writing. The characters are trapped somewhere between comic-book conventions and superdrama, in a no-man's-land of ridiculousness. Save time and preserve your high opinion of Hoffman by skipping this dumb dumb movie. http://www.spout.com/blogs/jj79/archive/2008/6/6/30615.aspx Post By: JJ79
Post To: JJ79 Blog
Post Date: 6/6/2008 1:00:07 PM
Body: Released: October 12, 2007 (New York Film Festival)Director: Sidney Lumet*****Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is like the ball of yarn a cat plays with. As long as both ends are tucked in and not pulled, the ball of yarn remains relatively intact. But pull a stray piece and, soon afterward, the entire thing becomes undone. Such is the case here. When brothers Hank and Andy (Ethan Hawke, Philip Seymour Hoffman) decide to knock over their parents jewelry store because both are in desperate need of money, they call it a victimless crime. The robbery goes horribly wrong, resulting in the fragile lives the family has created to come shattering apart, making each person do things they wouldn't normally do. With lesser actors, director Sidney Lumet's latest outing would have rung hollow, as if the script was imposing a set of character traits on a group of actors unable to inhabit the parts. Without muttering a line of dialogue, though, we know each of the people on screen, if only in the broad sense. Hawke, as Hank, with his moppy, unkempt hair is a man at the end of his rope while brother Andy carries himself with dignity and class, despite being in well over his head as well. Then there's Andy's wife Gina (Marisa Tomei). We know her, too. She is upper class, with Andy only for the money and not real love. It is these people, and to a lesser extent Albert Finney and Rosemary Harris as the parents, we want to shake, rattle and stir. In the great pantheon of bad movie ideas, robbing your own parents store is near the top of the list. What the film doesn't tell us-at least not all at once-is why they do it. Instead of being a simple whodunit story, the script throws that question out of the window at the outset. We know who it is. But why? That's the great mystery. And once those answers come, in the form of segments devoted to each character leading up to and after the robbery, they are whole people. Not terribly brilliant people, but complete. Even at this point the film doesn't fade to black, allowing us to ruminate on what they have done. We are forced to follow them to their ultimate destruction. Remember that yarn? It is pulled to such lengths there is no ball anymore, just a mess of tangles and waste. Lumet gets perhaps the best work out of Hawke since Dead Poet's Society, as he is continually forced to carry the emotional burden of the film. Perhaps a bit overreaching in some scenes, he isn't strictly a bad person, just caught up in events he can't do anything about, trying to be everything to everybody. Hoffman is more restrained, lashing out only at the end. Tomei is wonderfully understated, knowing full well hers is a supporting part and not where the camera is going to be focused for any prolonged period of time. A minor gripe: the slam cuts which shift the perspective of the film come on suddenly, just as we're becoming comfortable with what we're seeing. Maybe that's the point, though. To make sure we're not comfortable watching a group of people dig their own graves.
]]>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:00:07 GMTJJ79JJ79 Blog6/6/2008 1:00:07 PMReleased: October 12, 2007 (New York Film Festival)Director: Sidney Lumet*****Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is like the ball of yarn a cat plays with. As long as both ends are tucked in and not pulled, the ball of yarn remains relatively intact. But pull a stray piece and, soon afterward, the entire thing becomes undone. Such is the case here. When brothers Hank and Andy (Ethan Hawke, Philip Seymour Hoffman) decide to knock over their parents jewelry store because both are in desperate need of money, they call it a victimless crime. The robbery goes horribly wrong, resulting in the fragile lives the family has created to come shattering apart, making each person do things they wouldn't normally do. With lesser actors, director Sidney Lumet's latest outing would have rung hollow, as if the script was imposing a set of character traits on a group of actors unable to inhabit the parts. Without muttering a line of dialogue, though, we know each of the people on screen, if only in the broad sense. Hawke, as Hank, with his moppy, unkempt hair is a man at the end of his rope while brother Andy carries himself with dignity and class, despite being in well over his head as well. Then there's Andy's wife Gina (Marisa Tomei). We know her, too. She is upper class, with Andy only for the money and not real love. It is these people, and to a lesser extent Albert Finney and Rosemary Harris as the parents, we want to shake, rattle and stir. In the great pantheon of bad movie ideas, robbing your own parents store is near the top of the list. What the film doesn't tell us-at least not all at once-is why they do it. Instead of being a simple whodunit story, the script throws that question out of the window at the outset. We know who it is. But why? That's the great mystery. And once those answers come, in the form of segments devoted to each character leading up to and after the robbery, they are whole people. Not terribly brilliant people, but complete. Even at this point the film doesn't fade to black, allowing us to ruminate on what they have done. We are forced to follow them to their ultimate destruction. Remember that yarn? It is pulled to such lengths there is no ball anymore, just a mess of tangles and waste. Lumet gets perhaps the best work out of Hawke since Dead Poet's Society, as he is continually forced to carry the emotional burden of the film. Perhaps a bit overreaching in some scenes, he isn't strictly a bad person, just caught up in events he can't do anything about, trying to be everything to everybody. Hoffman is more restrained, lashing out only at the end. Tomei is wonderfully understated, knowing full well hers is a supporting part and not where the camera is going to be focused for any prolonged period of time. A minor gripe: the slam cuts which shift the perspective of the film come on suddenly, just as we're becoming comfortable with what we're seeing. Maybe that's the point, though. To make sure we're not comfortable watching a group of people dig their own graves. http://www.spout.com/blogs/dacarden/archive/2008/6/1/30273.aspx Post By: dacarden
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Post Date: 6/1/2008 4:43:38 PM
Body: This movie was great - although it goes back and forth from past to future, the premise of two brothers hatching up a scheme that totally blows up in their face is nt the only thing that happens. They also become more and more involved in money schemes, murder and the ending is the ultimate. I highly recommend it, especially if you're a Philip Seymour Hoffman fanatic, as I am. I've never seen this man act badly...he's an awesome actor.
]]>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:43:38 GMTdacardendacarden Blog6/1/2008 4:43:38 PMThis movie was great - although it goes back and forth from past to future, the premise of two brothers hatching up a scheme that totally blows up in their face is nt the only thing that happens. They also become more and more involved in money schemes, murder and the ending is the ultimate. I highly recommend it, especially if you're a Philip Seymour Hoffman fanatic, as I am. I've never seen this man act badly...he's an awesome actor. http://www.spout.com/blogs/cinemarian/archive/2008/5/12/28514.aspx Post By: CinemaRian
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Post Date: 5/12/2008 10:15:32 AM
Body: "Hope you have a half hour of half an hour of happiness before the devil knows you're dead." Sidney Lumet shows us the complete phrase at the beginning of the movie, and for good reason. The 83 year-old director's latest film is a Shakespearean tragedy, and the title needs to be taken literarily. This movie chronicles the last stages of the fall of a family, just before many of the characters will probably be meeting the devil personally. The movie is told out of chronological sequence, so a plot description is impossible without revealing some surprises, so skip to the next paragraph to avoid spoilers. The Hanson brothers are down on their luck. The older sibling, Andy (Phillip Seymour Hoffman) has a beautiful wife (Marisa Tormei) and holds a good job at an advertising firm, but has been embezzling money, presumably to feed a cocaine habit, and his a few days away from an IRS audit where he will certainly be caught. His solution is desperate- he will have his younger brother Hank (Ethan Hawke) rob their own parent's jewelry store, under the idea that the insurance will "take care of Mom and Dad". Hank is behind in child support, so he needs the money, but is guilt ridden and has no experience in criminal behavior. He asks his friend Bobby (Brian F. O'Byrne) to assist in the crime, not knowing that Bobby is willing to use violence. Also unbeknownst to the brothers is the fact that instead of the usual worker, their own mother (Rosemary Harris) will be working the day of the robbery and has a gun, prompting an exchange of violence that kills both the mother and Bobby. Their father Charles (Albert Finney) who has had a difficult relationship with his children, is determined to find the culprit- not knowning his own children unwittingly are responsible. Things get even worse as a friend of Bobby (Michael Shannon) demands blackmail and the IRS closes in on Andy, whose wife has been cheating on him with his brother. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is one depressing movie. We see the very end of a very sad story- how two parents were never able to give their children what they needed to succeed in life and how one child is too stupid to make good choices and the other has few moral scruples. The movie employs a unique structure, similar to Kubrick's The Killing, in which the movie doubles back on itself to reveal events that occurred simultaneously. This technique could easily become gimmicky, but Lumet never lets this get in the way of the story. The movie is centered around a brave performance by Hoffman, as a man who knows he is going down, and will do ANYTHING to stop it. Finney and a nearly unrecognizable Hawke are also impressive, but Hoffman's portrait of a man who is completely at the end of the road is what will stay with after the end of the picture. Although this is a four star film, I have to say that I don't think this movie is particularly deep. It felt like I was supposed to get a profound message out of it, but there was none to be had. Nevertheless, this is without a doubt one of the most depressing films of the year, and one of the best acted. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007)
]]>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:15:32 GMTCinemaRianCinemaRian Blog5/12/2008 10:15:32 AM"Hope you have a half hour of half an hour of happiness before the devil knows you're dead." Sidney Lumet shows us the complete phrase at the beginning of the movie, and for good reason. The 83 year-old director's latest film is a Shakespearean tragedy, and the title needs to be taken literarily. This movie chronicles the last stages of the fall of a family, just before many of the characters will probably be meeting the devil personally. The movie is told out of chronological sequence, so a plot description is impossible without revealing some surprises, so skip to the next paragraph to avoid spoilers. The Hanson brothers are down on their luck. The older sibling, Andy (Phillip Seymour Hoffman) has a beautiful wife (Marisa Tormei) and holds a good job at an advertising firm, but has been embezzling money, presumably to feed a cocaine habit, and his a few days away from an IRS audit where he will certainly be caught. His solution is desperate- he will have his younger brother Hank (Ethan Hawke) rob their own parent's jewelry store, under the idea that the insurance will "take care of Mom and Dad". Hank is behind in child support, so he needs the money, but is guilt ridden and has no experience in criminal behavior. He asks his friend Bobby (Brian F. O'Byrne) to assist in the crime, not knowing that Bobby is willing to use violence. Also unbeknownst to the brothers is the fact that instead of the usual worker, their own mother (Rosemary Harris) will be working the day of the robbery and has a gun, prompting an exchange of violence that kills both the mother and Bobby. Their father Charles (Albert Finney) who has had a difficult relationship with his children, is determined to find the culprit- not knowning his own children unwittingly are responsible. Things get even worse as a friend of Bobby (Michael Shannon) demands blackmail and the IRS closes in on Andy, whose wife has been cheating on him with his brother. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is one depressing movie. We see the very end of a very sad story- how two parents were never able to give their children what they needed to succeed in life and how one child is too stupid to make good choices and the other has few moral scruples. The movie employs a unique structure, similar to Kubrick's The Killing, in which the movie doubles back on itself to reveal events that occurred simultaneously. This technique could easily become gimmicky, but Lumet never lets this get in the way of the story. The movie is centered around a brave performance by Hoffman, as a man who knows he is going down, and will do ANYTHING to stop it. Finney and a nearly unrecognizable Hawke are also impressive, but Hoffman's portrait of a man who is completely at the end of the road is what will stay with after the end of the picture. Although this is a four star film, I have to say that I don't think this movie is particularly deep. It felt like I was supposed to get a profound message out of it, but there was none to be had. Nevertheless, this is without a doubt one of the most depressing films of the year, and one of the best acted. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (2007) http://www.spout.com/groups/Filmgaming/Re_Recasting_THE_BREAKFAST_CLUB_1985/563/28481/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: tl8706
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Body: Joseph Gordon Levitt (The Lookout) ... Andrew 'Andy' Clark (make him a swimmer) Jay Baruchel (Knocked Up) ... Brian Ralph Johnson Taylor Kitsch (The Covenant) ... John Bender Amber Tamblyn (The Sisterhood Of The Traveling Pants) ... Claire Standish Emma Stone (Superbad) ... Allison Reynolds Christopher McDonald (Happy Gilmore) ... Principal Richard Vernon Ethan Hawke (Before The Devil Knows You're Dead) ... Carl The Janitor
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