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      <title>Film:Serenity</title>
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<strong>Title:</strong> Serenity<br/>
<strong>Year:</strong> 2005<br/>
<strong>Director:</strong> Joss Whedon<br/>
<strong>Plot:</strong> A band of renegades on the run in outer space get in more hot water than they anticipated in this sci-fi action-adventure adapted from the television series <a href=/films/11652/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'>Firefly</a>. In the 26th century, the galaxy has been colonized by a military force known as the Alliance, but its leadership has not gone unquestioned. The Alliance was once challenged by a league of rebels known as the Independents, but the Alliance emerged victorious after a brutal civil war, with the surviving Independents scattering around the galaxy. Also wandering the edges of the galaxy are the Reavers, who have won few allies due to their violent behavior and habit of ripping apart their enemies and eating them before they're dead. Capt. Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds (<a href="/players/P___340255/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Nathan Fillion</a>), who fought as an Independent in the galactic war, is the head of <i>Serenity</i>, a rogue frieghter ship whose crew includes Mal's first mate, Zoe (<a href="/players/P___239212/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Gina Torres</a>), who fought alongside him in the war, her husband, hotshot pilot Wash (<a href="/players/P___223658/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Alan Tudyk</a>), sunny but dependable mechanic Kaylee (<a href="/players/P___339776/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Jewel Staite</a>), and hard-nosed gunman Jayne (<a href="/players/P_____3513/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Adam Baldwin</a>). The crew of <i>Serenity</i> wander the galaxy, taking on whatever work they can get, from criminal activities like smuggling and stealing to legitimately offering transport to travelers. Passengers aboard <i>Serenity</i> include professional "companion" Inara (<a href="/players/P___340256/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Morena Baccarin</a>) and holy man Shepherd Book (Ron Glass), but the real trouble aboard the ship comes with the arrival of Simon (Sean Maher) and his teenage sister, River Tam (<a href="/players/P___329969/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Summer Glau</a>). In time, the crew discovers that River has remarkable psychic powers and was being held captive by Alliance forces until Simon came to her rescue. Now the Alliance is hot on the heels of <i>Serenity</i> and its passengers, with The Operative (<a href="/players/P___272779/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Chiwetel Ejiofor</a>), a sinister Alliance tracker, leading the chase. Serenity was written and directed by <a href="/players/P___167372/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Joss Whedon</a> (in his directorial debut), creator of <a href=/films/11652/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'>Firefly</a>, which only lasted 11 weeks on the air but gained a powerful cult following who rallied to get the show released on DVD after its cancellation, leading to impressive home-video sales and and an eventual motion picture deal. A couple of months prior to Serenity's theatrical release, reruns of <a href=/films/11652/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'>Firefly</a> were picked up by the Sci-Fi channel, adding even more fans to its cult following. ~ Mark Deming, All Movie Guide<br/>
<strong>Times Tagged:</strong> 51<br/>
<strong>Number of Lists:</strong> 69<br/>
<strong>Number of blog posts:</strong> 8<br/>
<strong>Number of discussion threads:</strong> 10<br/>
<strong>SpoutRating:</strong> 4<br/>
</td></tr></table>]]></description><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:08:49 GMT</pubDate><spout:Title>Serenity</spout:Title><spout:Year>2005</spout:Year><spout:Director>Joss Whedon</spout:Director><spout:Plot>A band of renegades on the run in outer space get in more hot water than they anticipated in this sci-fi action-adventure adapted from the television series &lt;a href=/films/11652/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Firefly&lt;/a&gt;. In the 26th century, the galaxy has been colonized by a military force known as the Alliance, but its leadership has not gone unquestioned. The Alliance was once challenged by a league of rebels known as the Independents, but the Alliance emerged victorious after a brutal civil war, with the surviving Independents scattering around the galaxy. Also wandering the edges of the galaxy are the Reavers, who have won few allies due to their violent behavior and habit of ripping apart their enemies and eating them before they're dead. Capt. Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds (&lt;a href="/players/P___340255/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Nathan Fillion&lt;/a&gt;), who fought as an Independent in the galactic war, is the head of &lt;i&gt;Serenity&lt;/i&gt;, a rogue frieghter ship whose crew includes Mal's first mate, Zoe (&lt;a href="/players/P___239212/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Gina Torres&lt;/a&gt;), who fought alongside him in the war, her husband, hotshot pilot Wash (&lt;a href="/players/P___223658/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Alan Tudyk&lt;/a&gt;), sunny but dependable mechanic Kaylee (&lt;a href="/players/P___339776/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Jewel Staite&lt;/a&gt;), and hard-nosed gunman Jayne (&lt;a href="/players/P_____3513/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Adam Baldwin&lt;/a&gt;). The crew of &lt;i&gt;Serenity&lt;/i&gt; wander the galaxy, taking on whatever work they can get, from criminal activities like smuggling and stealing to legitimately offering transport to travelers. Passengers aboard &lt;i&gt;Serenity&lt;/i&gt; include professional "companion" Inara (&lt;a href="/players/P___340256/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Morena Baccarin&lt;/a&gt;) and holy man Shepherd Book (Ron Glass), but the real trouble aboard the ship comes with the arrival of Simon (Sean Maher) and his teenage sister, River Tam (&lt;a href="/players/P___329969/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Summer Glau&lt;/a&gt;). In time, the crew discovers that River has remarkable psychic powers and was being held captive by Alliance forces until Simon came to her rescue. Now the Alliance is hot on the heels of &lt;i&gt;Serenity&lt;/i&gt; and its passengers, with The Operative (&lt;a href="/players/P___272779/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Chiwetel Ejiofor&lt;/a&gt;), a sinister Alliance tracker, leading the chase. Serenity was written and directed by &lt;a href="/players/P___167372/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Joss Whedon&lt;/a&gt; (in his directorial debut), creator of &lt;a href=/films/11652/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Firefly&lt;/a&gt;, which only lasted 11 weeks on the air but gained a powerful cult following who rallied to get the show released on DVD after its cancellation, leading to impressive home-video sales and and an eventual motion picture deal. A couple of months prior to Serenity's theatrical release, reruns of &lt;a href=/films/11652/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'&gt;Firefly&lt;/a&gt; were picked up by the Sci-Fi channel, adding even more fans to its cult following. ~ Mark Deming, All Movie Guide</spout:Plot><spout:TimesTagged>51</spout:TimesTagged><spout:taglevel>Tag Target (&gt;10)</spout:taglevel><spout:Numberoflists>69</spout:Numberoflists><spout:NumberOfBlogPosts>8</spout:NumberOfBlogPosts><spout:NumberOfDiscussionThreads>10</spout:NumberOfDiscussionThreads><spout:SpoutRating>4</spout:SpoutRating><spout:FilmCoverURL>http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg</spout:FilmCoverURL><spout:SpoutFilmDetailURL>http://www.spout.com/films/Serenity/250755/default.aspx</spout:SpoutFilmDetailURL><spout:type>Film</spout:type></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Weekly Theme for June 22: The Plague</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_June_22_The_Plague/625/42798/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/5711/default.aspx'>Dr_Gor</a><br/>
<strong>Post To:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/625/discussions.aspx'>Weekly Theme</a><br/>
<strong>Post Date:</strong> 6/24/2009 9:08:49 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> [quote user="mciocco"] Every example I'm coming up with seems to be a borderline case.  Most are not about a plague proper, but have elements of plague type stories. The best example I can think of is the original The Andromeda Strain.  (Incidentally, the 2008 miniseries sucks!) Serenity references many elements of plague, even though it probably wouldn't be considered a plague movie. I'm a big fan of the novel, but the I Am Legend movie isn't nearly as good... Still, some of those scenes of an empty NY hit home... 12 Monkeys is another that doesn't really hit the plague head on, but plague features in the story... The Stand mini-series isn't that great overall (another movie overshadowed by the book), but the first 2 hour episode is pretty great, and that's the part when the plague spreads... There are probably a million zombie movies that would qualify, but I'll leave that open for others:) ~Mark   [/quote]    Thanks, Mark!   Your comments are pretty close to my actual thoughts while I was reading the original post.    The Andromeda Strain  is a great movie and a perfect example of the genre.   Pretty scary, too...    I, too, am a big fan of Richard Matheson's novel  "I Am Legend" and I have enjoyed every screen version I have seen.   I have not yet seen the new Will Smith version but I will.   In any case it will never live up to the "mega-classic"  The Omega Man (1971)  in which Charleton Heston gives his life to save humanity...    There was also an earlier film version of this story called   The Last Man on Earth (1964)  starring Vincent Price.   Although I don't have any proof, I SERIOUSLY think that the latter movie was a HUGE inspiration for George Romero and NOTLD.    The Stand  is Stephen King's best novel and one of the best books I have ever read.   The TV miniseries, directed by Mick Garris, is incredibly true to the book and is one of the best movies I have ever seen....    And yeah, you are right about the Zombie Movies...   there are about a million of them...                                                                       &lt; GOR &gt;<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:08:49 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>Dr_Gor</spout:postby><spout:postto>Weekly Theme</spout:postto><spout:postdate>6/24/2009 9:08:49 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>[quote user="mciocco"] Every example I'm coming up with seems to be a borderline case.  Most are not about a plague proper, but have elements of plague type stories. The best example I can think of is the original The Andromeda Strain.  (Incidentally, the 2008 miniseries sucks!) Serenity references many elements of plague, even though it probably wouldn't be considered a plague movie. I'm a big fan of the novel, but the I Am Legend movie isn't nearly as good... Still, some of those scenes of an empty NY hit home... 12 Monkeys is another that doesn't really hit the plague head on, but plague features in the story... The Stand mini-series isn't that great overall (another movie overshadowed by the book), but the first 2 hour episode is pretty great, and that's the part when the plague spreads... There are probably a million zombie movies that would qualify, but I'll leave that open for others:) ~Mark   [/quote]    Thanks, Mark!   Your comments are pretty close to my actual thoughts while I was reading the original post.    The Andromeda Strain  is a great movie and a perfect example of the genre.   Pretty scary, too...    I, too, am a big fan of Richard Matheson's novel  "I Am Legend" and I have enjoyed every screen version I have seen.   I have not yet seen the new Will Smith version but I will.   In any case it will never live up to the "mega-classic"  The Omega Man (1971)  in which Charleton Heston gives his life to save humanity...    There was also an earlier film version of this story called   The Last Man on Earth (1964)  starring Vincent Price.   Although I don't have any proof, I SERIOUSLY think that the latter movie was a HUGE inspiration for George Romero and NOTLD.    The Stand  is Stephen King's best novel and one of the best books I have ever read.   The TV miniseries, directed by Mick Garris, is incredibly true to the book and is one of the best movies I have ever seen....    And yeah, you are right about the Zombie Movies...   there are about a million of them...                                                                       &amp;lt; GOR &amp;gt;</spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Weekly Theme for June 22: The Plague</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_June_22_The_Plague/625/42758/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/140759/default.aspx'>mciocco</a><br/>
<strong>Post To:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/625/discussions.aspx'>Weekly Theme</a><br/>
<strong>Post Date:</strong> 6/22/2009 4:01:02 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> Every example I'm coming up with seems to be a borderline case.  Most are not about a plague proper, but have elements of plague type stories. The best example I can think of is the original The Andromeda Strain.  (Incidentally, the 2008 miniseries sucks!) Serenity references many elements of plague, even though it probably wouldn't be considered a plague movie. I'm a big fan of the novel, but the I Am Legend movie isn't nearly as good... Still, some of those scenes of an empty NY hit home... 12 Monkeys is another that doesn't really hit the plague head on, but plague features in the story... The Stand mini-series isn't that great overall (another movie overshadowed by the book), but the first 2 hour episode is pretty great, and that's the part when the plague spreads... There are probably a million zombie movies that would qualify, but I'll leave that open for others:) ~Mark  <br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:01:02 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>mciocco</spout:postby><spout:postto>Weekly Theme</spout:postto><spout:postdate>6/22/2009 4:01:02 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>Every example I'm coming up with seems to be a borderline case.  Most are not about a plague proper, but have elements of plague type stories. The best example I can think of is the original The Andromeda Strain.  (Incidentally, the 2008 miniseries sucks!) Serenity references many elements of plague, even though it probably wouldn't be considered a plague movie. I'm a big fan of the novel, but the I Am Legend movie isn't nearly as good... Still, some of those scenes of an empty NY hit home... 12 Monkeys is another that doesn't really hit the plague head on, but plague features in the story... The Stand mini-series isn't that great overall (another movie overshadowed by the book), but the first 2 hour episode is pretty great, and that's the part when the plague spreads... There are probably a million zombie movies that would qualify, but I'll leave that open for others:) ~Mark  </spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Serenity Provides None Vis-a-Vis Firefly's Untimely Demise</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/blogs/pippin06/archive/2009/1/12/39431.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/2227/default.aspx'>pippin06</a><br/>
<strong>Post To:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/blogs/pippin06/default.aspx'>Reel Thoughts</a><br/>
<strong>Post Date:</strong> 1/12/2009 6:37:28 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> Serenity was in my red envelope this week after a series of events led me to the film.  When it was released, I had been intrigued by it purely because of its status as a science fiction film, and most of the people that I know who saw it generally had favorable things to say about it.  What I didn't realize until later was that Serenity was the spinoff or continuation film of the series Firefly, which aired on and was quickly cancelled by Fox in 2002. I remember actually trying to watch Firefly when it originally aired, at least for a couple of episodes.  I didn't get it then.  I was not, at that time, a viewer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Angel and did not really give too much thought about Joss Whedon.  I didn't understand why Firefly was a western or what its wacky if clever and slightly campy sense of humor was all about.  I quickly got bored and stopped watching it. I was never initially a fan of Buffy or Angel either, even though friends of mine absolutely obsessed over those shows.  I never gave either a chance until Buffy was near done with its original run, and I started watching the episodes in syndication.  I was only mildly and experimentally interested, initially turning it on in the background, wanting to casually see what all the fuss was about.  Then, I encountered a few episodes, I'm not sure in what season, that featured James Marsters and the Spike character.  This hilarious and good looking bad boy vampire with a convincing English accent (it took me a while to discover that Marsters is from Ohio) and a soft spot for crazy Drusilla and eventually Buffy herself drew me into Buffyverse faster than any other character or story arc. So, then, I started ravenously consuming Buffy episodes, initially in the hopes of seeing more Spike, and made it my mission to see all of them.  I was instantly hooked despite Spike and finally got it: why the show was so popular amongst people of my age group and why Joss Whedon wasn't just a flash in the pan.  What was especially satisfying was that the show reached a perfect conclusion and provided closure for most of its storylines while leaving a little wiggle room for branching characters into its sister spinoff, for after Buffy, I realized that there was this show called Angel, which brought Spike into its fifth season, and I started watching those too.  Angel was cancelled but in the sense that it wasn't renewed for a sixth season, so it was ended in its prime, during the height of its storytelling and adventures but was brought to an open-ended and yet still satisfying conclusion.  I now own both series. Some of the friends who enjoyed Buffy and Angel couldn't get into Firefly, but I had some other friends who found Firefly before the other two and sung its praises incessantly.  They had become obsessed with this unusual show and loved Serenity when the film was released just about as much.  I was a little wary of these friends because, even though I'd grown to love Joss creations, I remembered my initial go-round with Firefly and couldn't make myself excited to try it again; however, when I signed up for Netflix, I added Firefly and Serenity to my queue, thinking it was a low-risk strategy for giving both vehicles another chance.  Netflix is great for this, after all. Now, these movies were well over 100 on my queue, and I had no intention of watching them before their number was up, but one of my obsessed friends bought Firefly for himself for Christmas and, when I visited his house over New Years, recommended that I borrow and watch it.  I agreed, as it was during holiday repeat season for live television, and because I wanted to give it another chance, as I've said. It took three or four episodes (which was probably more than I allowed the first time) to see why Firefly has captured the imaginations of and interested friends of mine to addictive proportions, but I finally get why Firefly has become such a cult favorite.  The show is actually quite good, with a great story, great story possibilities, interesting characters portrayed to colorful effect by a group of relatively unknown but talented actors, and great production values, such as convincing visual effects and real-seeming costumes and sets.  The show is good, but as everyone knows, Fox cancelled Firefly after airing only 11 episodes (14 were produced) after stringing Joss along for quite a frustrating ride, and, as such, the adventures of Captain Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) and his crew were ended without giving them proper closure, as Joss hoped to sell the property to another network. He was unsuccessful in this venture, but Firefly had enough fan support through fan campaigns and DVD sales, that Universeral picked up the property to make a feature film.  That is how we get to Serenity. I loved Firefly the series, but as a fan of the story aspect of any given TV show or film, I felt a palpable sense of loss and lack of closure upon reaching the end of the series.  It's six years old, and yet I felt about as jilted as anyone else who had grown to love the series in its original run when I reached the last filmed episode. It's a quirky concept: Earth becomes too over-populated, so humans engage in space exploration and find another solar system with new planets and moons.  These worlds are "terra-formed" to various degrees of success to make them habitable by humans and are controlled by an "Alliance" of what was formerly the United States and China, the last two remaining superpowers.  As such, people often speak a combination of English and Chinese, though the latter is usually reserved for profanity and colloquialisms. Some settlers resentful of the Alliance's omnipresent and often dictatorial control wage an uprising, which leads to civil war, between the Alliance and what is known as the "Independents" or browncoats.  The Independents lose and are scattered throughout the galaxy to make their way as normal citizens, though some are outlawed by the Alliance.  Mal was one such soldier, with a past he's never quite put to rest.  He ends up purchasing a Firefly-class spaceship and acquiring a crew, including a former co-soldier named Zoe (Gina Torres), who becomes his first mate; her husband and pilot Hoban "Wash" Washburne (Alan Tudyk), a genial wisecracker; a sunny, positive chief engineer with an innate talent for understanding mechanical workings named Kaylee (Jewel Staite); and a hard-nosed, slightly dim gun-for-hire named Jayne Cobb (Adam Baldwin).  The ship, called Serenity, and its crew travel the galaxy committing various acts of theft and smuggling for paying customers, often accompanied by violence, and none of which ever go smoothly, much to Mal's chagrin.  This line of work has become especially tricky after Serenity picks up two passengers, a doctor named Simon Tam (Sean Maher) and his addled sister River (Summer Glau), who, it turns out, was captured by the Alliance as a young, prodigal girl and was experimented on, to the point that she possesses unusual abilities, including the ability to read minds.  Serenity also houses a registered "companion" (sort of a courtesan) named Inara (Morena Baccarin) and a preacher named Shepherd Book (Ron Glass).  The series concentrated on their exploits as well as the Alliance's focus on Simon and River, as Simon gave up his promising medical career to break River out of the Alliance facility holding her, thus becoming fugitives whom Mal allows passage on his ship against his better judgement.  The movie picks up where the series left off and runs with some of these themes, providing a high body count and few answers offering closure to the series; the Alliance and a hired assassin is after River, but River has had a psychic premonition about a place called "Miranda" that is beyond space occupied by the Reavers, holdovers from the series that are cannibalistic humans incapable of moral judgement, who pillage ships and eat their occupants.  Mal and crew must figure out what the vision means while the assassin chases after them in pursuit of the Tams. Serenity takes all of the best elements of the TV series to the scale beftting a major motion picture.  The performances are still good, the visual effects are pretty awesome, there are some engaging and fun action sequences, a great science fiction score that keeps one engaged, and a decent attempt at answering some questions left unanswered by the cancellation of the series.  What is disappointing about the movie, however, is that the story is far more simplistic than any hour episode written by Joss and really provides no closure with regard to the series (though it shockingly provides closure to some characters, which I won't spoil).  The ending implies certain changes of landscape that sound like an ending or closure to series storylines but fails to provide some answers and actually leaves me feeling even less satisfied than the last produced episode of Firefly.  In many ways, I wish I could just erase the movie from my mind and hold onto Firefly's ending because I'm not sure that the film gives the characters' proper justice.  Also, the story itself felt more artificial than any of the episodic stories of the series.  Since it was probably Joss' last attempt at giving his characters something to fight for, the characters made some choices and had some motivations that didn't seem to jive with what was learned on the series for the sake of the bigger-budget motion picture and its action-oriented story.  Plus, Summer Glau's River had something different about her in the film than it did in the series, possibly owing to the lapse of a couple of years. That's not to say that Serenity isn't an entertaining film, because it's very interesting and still provides enough thrills that engaged me.  In fact, there are more than a few people who have discovered Firefly through Serenity; though I think someone new to the story watching Serenity cold would probably have a different experience.  In the end, I just can't love the film or the direction of the story taken, as it provided me less closure than I'd hoped.  Maybe Joss thought sequelization was possible, but it's been four years, and I read that the film didn't make budget until the release of the DVD.  This is more than likely the last we'll see, at least in motion picture form (or television), of Serenity and its crew, and, therefore, Serenity leaves me less than serene.  I, thus, feel the film deserves a 7 for being shaky but entertaining.  As to the test, for both the series and the movie, I think I'm not going to buy either one.  The lack of closure is too frustrating, and, besides, rich though the universe of Firefly is, I prefer the darkly sardonic Buffyverse and its cast of characters more.<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:37:28 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>pippin06</spout:postby><spout:postto>Reel Thoughts</spout:postto><spout:postdate>1/12/2009 6:37:28 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>Serenity was in my red envelope this week after a series of events led me to the film.  When it was released, I had been intrigued by it purely because of its status as a science fiction film, and most of the people that I know who saw it generally had favorable things to say about it.  What I didn't realize until later was that Serenity was the spinoff or continuation film of the series Firefly, which aired on and was quickly cancelled by Fox in 2002. I remember actually trying to watch Firefly when it originally aired, at least for a couple of episodes.  I didn't get it then.  I was not, at that time, a viewer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Angel and did not really give too much thought about Joss Whedon.  I didn't understand why Firefly was a western or what its wacky if clever and slightly campy sense of humor was all about.  I quickly got bored and stopped watching it. I was never initially a fan of Buffy or Angel either, even though friends of mine absolutely obsessed over those shows.  I never gave either a chance until Buffy was near done with its original run, and I started watching the episodes in syndication.  I was only mildly and experimentally interested, initially turning it on in the background, wanting to casually see what all the fuss was about.  Then, I encountered a few episodes, I'm not sure in what season, that featured James Marsters and the Spike character.  This hilarious and good looking bad boy vampire with a convincing English accent (it took me a while to discover that Marsters is from Ohio) and a soft spot for crazy Drusilla and eventually Buffy herself drew me into Buffyverse faster than any other character or story arc. So, then, I started ravenously consuming Buffy episodes, initially in the hopes of seeing more Spike, and made it my mission to see all of them.  I was instantly hooked despite Spike and finally got it: why the show was so popular amongst people of my age group and why Joss Whedon wasn't just a flash in the pan.  What was especially satisfying was that the show reached a perfect conclusion and provided closure for most of its storylines while leaving a little wiggle room for branching characters into its sister spinoff, for after Buffy, I realized that there was this show called Angel, which brought Spike into its fifth season, and I started watching those too.  Angel was cancelled but in the sense that it wasn't renewed for a sixth season, so it was ended in its prime, during the height of its storytelling and adventures but was brought to an open-ended and yet still satisfying conclusion.  I now own both series. Some of the friends who enjoyed Buffy and Angel couldn't get into Firefly, but I had some other friends who found Firefly before the other two and sung its praises incessantly.  They had become obsessed with this unusual show and loved Serenity when the film was released just about as much.  I was a little wary of these friends because, even though I'd grown to love Joss creations, I remembered my initial go-round with Firefly and couldn't make myself excited to try it again; however, when I signed up for Netflix, I added Firefly and Serenity to my queue, thinking it was a low-risk strategy for giving both vehicles another chance.  Netflix is great for this, after all. Now, these movies were well over 100 on my queue, and I had no intention of watching them before their number was up, but one of my obsessed friends bought Firefly for himself for Christmas and, when I visited his house over New Years, recommended that I borrow and watch it.  I agreed, as it was during holiday repeat season for live television, and because I wanted to give it another chance, as I've said. It took three or four episodes (which was probably more than I allowed the first time) to see why Firefly has captured the imaginations of and interested friends of mine to addictive proportions, but I finally get why Firefly has become such a cult favorite.  The show is actually quite good, with a great story, great story possibilities, interesting characters portrayed to colorful effect by a group of relatively unknown but talented actors, and great production values, such as convincing visual effects and real-seeming costumes and sets.  The show is good, but as everyone knows, Fox cancelled Firefly after airing only 11 episodes (14 were produced) after stringing Joss along for quite a frustrating ride, and, as such, the adventures of Captain Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) and his crew were ended without giving them proper closure, as Joss hoped to sell the property to another network. He was unsuccessful in this venture, but Firefly had enough fan support through fan campaigns and DVD sales, that Universeral picked up the property to make a feature film.  That is how we get to Serenity. I loved Firefly the series, but as a fan of the story aspect of any given TV show or film, I felt a palpable sense of loss and lack of closure upon reaching the end of the series.  It's six years old, and yet I felt about as jilted as anyone else who had grown to love the series in its original run when I reached the last filmed episode. It's a quirky concept: Earth becomes too over-populated, so humans engage in space exploration and find another solar system with new planets and moons.  These worlds are "terra-formed" to various degrees of success to make them habitable by humans and are controlled by an "Alliance" of what was formerly the United States and China, the last two remaining superpowers.  As such, people often speak a combination of English and Chinese, though the latter is usually reserved for profanity and colloquialisms. Some settlers resentful of the Alliance's omnipresent and often dictatorial control wage an uprising, which leads to civil war, between the Alliance and what is known as the "Independents" or browncoats.  The Independents lose and are scattered throughout the galaxy to make their way as normal citizens, though some are outlawed by the Alliance.  Mal was one such soldier, with a past he's never quite put to rest.  He ends up purchasing a Firefly-class spaceship and acquiring a crew, including a former co-soldier named Zoe (Gina Torres), who becomes his first mate; her husband and pilot Hoban "Wash" Washburne (Alan Tudyk), a genial wisecracker; a sunny, positive chief engineer with an innate talent for understanding mechanical workings named Kaylee (Jewel Staite); and a hard-nosed, slightly dim gun-for-hire named Jayne Cobb (Adam Baldwin).  The ship, called Serenity, and its crew travel the galaxy committing various acts of theft and smuggling for paying customers, often accompanied by violence, and none of which ever go smoothly, much to Mal's chagrin.  This line of work has become especially tricky after Serenity picks up two passengers, a doctor named Simon Tam (Sean Maher) and his addled sister River (Summer Glau), who, it turns out, was captured by the Alliance as a young, prodigal girl and was experimented on, to the point that she possesses unusual abilities, including the ability to read minds.  Serenity also houses a registered "companion" (sort of a courtesan) named Inara (Morena Baccarin) and a preacher named Shepherd Book (Ron Glass).  The series concentrated on their exploits as well as the Alliance's focus on Simon and River, as Simon gave up his promising medical career to break River out of the Alliance facility holding her, thus becoming fugitives whom Mal allows passage on his ship against his better judgement.  The movie picks up where the series left off and runs with some of these themes, providing a high body count and few answers offering closure to the series; the Alliance and a hired assassin is after River, but River has had a psychic premonition about a place called "Miranda" that is beyond space occupied by the Reavers, holdovers from the series that are cannibalistic humans incapable of moral judgement, who pillage ships and eat their occupants.  Mal and crew must figure out what the vision means while the assassin chases after them in pursuit of the Tams. Serenity takes all of the best elements of the TV series to the scale beftting a major motion picture.  The performances are still good, the visual effects are pretty awesome, there are some engaging and fun action sequences, a great science fiction score that keeps one engaged, and a decent attempt at answering some questions left unanswered by the cancellation of the series.  What is disappointing about the movie, however, is that the story is far more simplistic than any hour episode written by Joss and really provides no closure with regard to the series (though it shockingly provides closure to some characters, which I won't spoil).  The ending implies certain changes of landscape that sound like an ending or closure to series storylines but fails to provide some answers and actually leaves me feeling even less satisfied than the last produced episode of Firefly.  In many ways, I wish I could just erase the movie from my mind and hold onto Firefly's ending because I'm not sure that the film gives the characters' proper justice.  Also, the story itself felt more artificial than any of the episodic stories of the series.  Since it was probably Joss' last attempt at giving his characters something to fight for, the characters made some choices and had some motivations that didn't seem to jive with what was learned on the series for the sake of the bigger-budget motion picture and its action-oriented story.  Plus, Summer Glau's River had something different about her in the film than it did in the series, possibly owing to the lapse of a couple of years. That's not to say that Serenity isn't an entertaining film, because it's very interesting and still provides enough thrills that engaged me.  In fact, there are more than a few people who have discovered Firefly through Serenity; though I think someone new to the story watching Serenity cold would probably have a different experience.  In the end, I just can't love the film or the direction of the story taken, as it provided me less closure than I'd hoped.  Maybe Joss thought sequelization was possible, but it's been four years, and I read that the film didn't make budget until the release of the DVD.  This is more than likely the last we'll see, at least in motion picture form (or television), of Serenity and its crew, and, therefore, Serenity leaves me less than serene.  I, thus, feel the film deserves a 7 for being shaky but entertaining.  As to the test, for both the series and the movie, I think I'm not going to buy either one.  The lack of closure is too frustrating, and, besides, rich though the universe of Firefly is, I prefer the darkly sardonic Buffyverse and its cast of characters more.</spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Ryan's Sci-Fi Meme</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/sci_fi/Re_Ryan_s_Sci_Fi_Meme/4/38994/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/140759/default.aspx'>mciocco</a><br/>
<strong>Post To:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/groups/sci_fi/4/discussions.aspx'>sci-fi</a><br/>
<strong>Post Date:</strong> 12/31/2008 11:47:12 AM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> If you were going to be the villain in a sci-fi movie, which movie would it be? I don't generally consider myself to be villainous, so the only way I could see myself being a villain is if I was, for lack of a better term, an anti-villain.  A friend describes this concept thusly: "Basically the opposite of an anti-hero. While the anti-hero often fights on the protagonist's team, but with selfish motives, the anti-villain plays a villain's game, but for what's at least in his eyes a noble cause."  So that leaves people like Magneto (does  Xmen count as SF?) or The Operative from Serentity. How about sci-fi hero? Ah, that's probably a tougher choice.  I guess I'm more of a loner... though I think I'd do fine as part of some sort of crew.  If I could choose a book character, I'd definitely be one of the Waterhouse family folks from Cryptonomicon or The Baroque Trilogy (if I had to choose one, it would probably be Randy Waterhouse...)  Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time thinking of a character from a movie that is roughly similar to the Waterhouses... Weapon of choice? A lightsaber, obviously! (Don't see the need to change this:p). Woman/Man of choice? (To hook up with etc.): Another difficult one.  I'll go with Kaylee from Serenity... Setting of choice: Probably Star Trek.  Not my favorite movies, but if I'm going to live somewhere, why not choose something that is practically a utopia. Special Power of Choice (if you had to have one): I'd want some sort of super brain power, including stuff like telekinesis and, uh, I dunno, super-smarts.   Perhaps not as extensive as Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen, but maybe more knowledgeable. Mode of Transportation: Some form of spacecraft.  Perhaps a Star Destroyer (though a star destroyer not controlled by evil empires:p) How would you die? (If you had to die.): No dying for me!  Because of my super braniac powers, I expect to be able to figure out how to embed my intelligence/being/soul into the fabric of existance (perhaps with an intermediate step of embedding myself into sufficiently advanced technology), effectively becoming immortal!  Of course, who the hell knows what the subjective experience of transferring consciousness is like, so perhaps that would be like dying...  <br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:47:12 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>mciocco</spout:postby><spout:postto>sci-fi</spout:postto><spout:postdate>12/31/2008 11:47:12 AM</spout:postdate><spout:body>If you were going to be the villain in a sci-fi movie, which movie would it be? I don't generally consider myself to be villainous, so the only way I could see myself being a villain is if I was, for lack of a better term, an anti-villain.  A friend describes this concept thusly: "Basically the opposite of an anti-hero. While the anti-hero often fights on the protagonist's team, but with selfish motives, the anti-villain plays a villain's game, but for what's at least in his eyes a noble cause."  So that leaves people like Magneto (does  Xmen count as SF?) or The Operative from Serentity. How about sci-fi hero? Ah, that's probably a tougher choice.  I guess I'm more of a loner... though I think I'd do fine as part of some sort of crew.  If I could choose a book character, I'd definitely be one of the Waterhouse family folks from Cryptonomicon or The Baroque Trilogy (if I had to choose one, it would probably be Randy Waterhouse...)  Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time thinking of a character from a movie that is roughly similar to the Waterhouses... Weapon of choice? A lightsaber, obviously! (Don't see the need to change this:p). Woman/Man of choice? (To hook up with etc.): Another difficult one.  I'll go with Kaylee from Serenity... Setting of choice: Probably Star Trek.  Not my favorite movies, but if I'm going to live somewhere, why not choose something that is practically a utopia. Special Power of Choice (if you had to have one): I'd want some sort of super brain power, including stuff like telekinesis and, uh, I dunno, super-smarts.   Perhaps not as extensive as Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen, but maybe more knowledgeable. Mode of Transportation: Some form of spacecraft.  Perhaps a Star Destroyer (though a star destroyer not controlled by evil empires:p) How would you die? (If you had to die.): No dying for me!  Because of my super braniac powers, I expect to be able to figure out how to embed my intelligence/being/soul into the fabric of existance (perhaps with an intermediate step of embedding myself into sufficiently advanced technology), effectively becoming immortal!  Of course, who the hell knows what the subjective experience of transferring consciousness is like, so perhaps that would be like dying...  </spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Weekly Theme for November 24: Cyborgs, Androids, &amp; Sexbots, Oh My!</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_November_24_Cyborgs_Androids/625/37691/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/119628/default.aspx'>mercurial</a><br/>
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<strong>Post Date:</strong> 11/26/2008 4:28:52 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> In terms of sexbots, I'm fairly certain I was thinking about the one in Serenity. Although the Fembots in Austin Powers were much more lively.<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:28:52 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>mercurial</spout:postby><spout:postto>Weekly Theme</spout:postto><spout:postdate>11/26/2008 4:28:52 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>In terms of sexbots, I'm fairly certain I was thinking about the one in Serenity. Although the Fembots in Austin Powers were much more lively.</spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Tough Chicks of Sci-Fi</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/sci_fi/Re_Tough_Chicks_of_Sci_Fi/4/34117/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/2470/default.aspx'>SkyPilot</a><br/>
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<strong>Post Date:</strong> 8/19/2008 10:06:59 AM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> [quote user="unclefestering"] I'd have to say that for such a tiny woman, Summer Glau manages to get roles that kick ass and take names. I was thinking of both River Tam and the Terminator TV show. [/quote] I need to see that show. I watched Stargate the other day and realized it was missing a tough chick. It looks like the tv shows have remedied that?<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:06:59 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>SkyPilot</spout:postby><spout:postto>sci-fi</spout:postto><spout:postdate>8/19/2008 10:06:59 AM</spout:postdate><spout:body>[quote user="unclefestering"] I'd have to say that for such a tiny woman, Summer Glau manages to get roles that kick ass and take names. I was thinking of both River Tam and the Terminator TV show. [/quote] I need to see that show. I watched Stargate the other day and realized it was missing a tough chick. It looks like the tv shows have remedied that?</spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Tough Chicks of Sci-Fi</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/sci_fi/Re_Tough_Chicks_of_Sci_Fi/4/34103/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/130209/default.aspx'>unclefestering</a><br/>
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<strong>Post Date:</strong> 8/18/2008 3:57:52 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> I'd have to say that for such a tiny woman, Summer Glau manages to get roles that kick ass and take names. I was thinking of both River Tam and the Terminator TV show.<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:57:52 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>unclefestering</spout:postby><spout:postto>sci-fi</spout:postto><spout:postdate>8/18/2008 3:57:52 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>I'd have to say that for such a tiny woman, Summer Glau manages to get roles that kick ass and take names. I was thinking of both River Tam and the Terminator TV show.</spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: AFI's 10 Top 10: Western</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/blogs/shaunhuston/archive/2008/6/18/31390.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/63637/default.aspx'>ShaunHuston</a><br/>
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<strong>Post Date:</strong> 6/18/2008 9:01:56 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> The Western Top 10 is the toughest for me. As some of you may know, while I'm hardly Richard Slotkin or Jane Tompkins, I write, teach, and think about this genre on a regular basis, and, as a result, my views are not only fairly strong, but well-informed. And, where certain well regarded classics are concerned, they are also iconoclastic. This is probably nowhere more obvious than with The Searchers (1956), the film that tops the AFI list. This film does not resonate with me on any level. I have never found the ending credible. John Wayne does not portray Ethan Edwards with any of the complexity needed for his embrace of Debbie (Natalie Wood) to ring true after his 118 (or so) minutes of hard, racist ranting about Native Americans and his intent to kill her. I also find the photography and production design to be garish without purpose, and for all of its superficial sophistication about Native peoples, the talk of ritual, the use of indigenous language, it only serves to perpetuate the myth of white mastery. After all, it is white men who &ldquo;know&rdquo; and understand Native peoples, not the other way around. Native Americans are no less the brutish savages in this film than they are in Stagecoach (1939), but at least that film doesn't pretend to be anything but pulpy fantasy (indeed, it remains my favorite John Ford/John Wayne Western). And the landscape changes in The Searchers drive me crazy. Even though no one seems to actually leave Texas, the weather and land change in absurd ways during the course of the quest. Where are these people supposed to be? I fully recognize that I am a freak when it comes to this film, and as a result, I'm not going to make a pitch for taking it off of the list, although I do think that it needs to be demoted. The other film worth arguing about is one that I would knock of the AFI list, and that is Shane (1953). My biggest block with this film is Joey (Brandon de Wilde). The whining, oh the whining. Gah. I can't get past it. At the same time, I don't think that Alan Ladd makes for a convincing hero; he has too much of a &ldquo;contemporary&rdquo; presence. Van Heflin's Joe Starrett is virtually the same guy as Dan Evans, Heflin's character in 3:10 to Yuma (1957), and much less interesting. As menacing as Jack Palance's black hatted gunfighter is, he's also more hollow than the norm. And, yes, I understand the subtext about the Frontiersman and his lack of place in civilization, but that theme is punctuated in many a film without Shane's weaknesses. The selection of Cat Ballou (1965) still seems like some kind of a joke, but it is perhaps typical of an industry that has wanted to bury this genre for the past five decades or so. Red River (1948) made no impression on me when I saw it. Is that a reason to take it off the list? I don't know, but I would have no shortage of replacements if it is. Part of the difficulty with these lists is how the boundary is drawn around &ldquo;American&rdquo; film. I can see where Sergio Leone's movies with Clint Eastwood might be precluded as &ldquo;American&rdquo;, but, given some of the other selections on other lists, Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) seems perfectly fair game to me (it was, after all, co-produced by Paramount, not to mention featuring a group of notable American actors in all of the lead male roles). Were it up to me, this film would certainly be on the list, and possibly even on top (I might just elevate High Noon, 1952, to the top spot depending on how much of a classisist I want to be). Undoubtedly, The Wild Bunch (1969) is Sam Peckinpah's magnum opus, but that's hardly a reason to make it his only film on the list. Ride the High Country (1962), for example, is an early elegiac Western that explores Western archetypes in more interesting ways than most of the films on the list from its same general period. The AFI's definition of the Western - &ldquo;a genre of films set in the American West that embodies the spirit, the struggle and the demise of the new frontier&rdquo; - also seems to leave room for a movie like Lone Star (1996), or, and I know I'm pushing it here, Serenity (2005) (and you can scoff at this if you want, but Joss Whedon's movie re-imagines the Frontier and the supposed line between savagery and civilization in interesting and vital ways; I think that it certainly makes a more original contribution to the genre than does Shane). Two other recent Westerns for which I have a great deal of affection are The Claim (2000) and Open Range (2003). I'm not sure I'd end up placing all of the films listed above on a reconstructed list, but I do think that there is a tendency to treat the Western as a &ldquo;dead&rdquo; genre, killed at some point in the 1960s, with an occasional raising from the dead, and it's not so. It's also a genre with a fairly well-rehearsed canon. Placing The Searchers at the top of a list like this is much like putting Citizen Kane (1941) at the top of the AFI's ur-list: it's almost reflexive. Link to introduction.  Originally posted on:Short-Circuit Signs<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:01:56 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>ShaunHuston</spout:postby><spout:postto>ShaunHuston filmblog</spout:postto><spout:postdate>6/18/2008 9:01:56 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>The Western Top 10 is the toughest for me. As some of you may know, while I'm hardly Richard Slotkin or Jane Tompkins, I write, teach, and think about this genre on a regular basis, and, as a result, my views are not only fairly strong, but well-informed. And, where certain well regarded classics are concerned, they are also iconoclastic. This is probably nowhere more obvious than with The Searchers (1956), the film that tops the AFI list. This film does not resonate with me on any level. I have never found the ending credible. John Wayne does not portray Ethan Edwards with any of the complexity needed for his embrace of Debbie (Natalie Wood) to ring true after his 118 (or so) minutes of hard, racist ranting about Native Americans and his intent to kill her. I also find the photography and production design to be garish without purpose, and for all of its superficial sophistication about Native peoples, the talk of ritual, the use of indigenous language, it only serves to perpetuate the myth of white mastery. After all, it is white men who &amp;ldquo;know&amp;rdquo; and understand Native peoples, not the other way around. Native Americans are no less the brutish savages in this film than they are in Stagecoach (1939), but at least that film doesn't pretend to be anything but pulpy fantasy (indeed, it remains my favorite John Ford/John Wayne Western). And the landscape changes in The Searchers drive me crazy. Even though no one seems to actually leave Texas, the weather and land change in absurd ways during the course of the quest. Where are these people supposed to be? I fully recognize that I am a freak when it comes to this film, and as a result, I'm not going to make a pitch for taking it off of the list, although I do think that it needs to be demoted. The other film worth arguing about is one that I would knock of the AFI list, and that is Shane (1953). My biggest block with this film is Joey (Brandon de Wilde). The whining, oh the whining. Gah. I can't get past it. At the same time, I don't think that Alan Ladd makes for a convincing hero; he has too much of a &amp;ldquo;contemporary&amp;rdquo; presence. Van Heflin's Joe Starrett is virtually the same guy as Dan Evans, Heflin's character in 3:10 to Yuma (1957), and much less interesting. As menacing as Jack Palance's black hatted gunfighter is, he's also more hollow than the norm. And, yes, I understand the subtext about the Frontiersman and his lack of place in civilization, but that theme is punctuated in many a film without Shane's weaknesses. The selection of Cat Ballou (1965) still seems like some kind of a joke, but it is perhaps typical of an industry that has wanted to bury this genre for the past five decades or so. Red River (1948) made no impression on me when I saw it. Is that a reason to take it off the list? I don't know, but I would have no shortage of replacements if it is. Part of the difficulty with these lists is how the boundary is drawn around &amp;ldquo;American&amp;rdquo; film. I can see where Sergio Leone's movies with Clint Eastwood might be precluded as &amp;ldquo;American&amp;rdquo;, but, given some of the other selections on other lists, Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) seems perfectly fair game to me (it was, after all, co-produced by Paramount, not to mention featuring a group of notable American actors in all of the lead male roles). Were it up to me, this film would certainly be on the list, and possibly even on top (I might just elevate High Noon, 1952, to the top spot depending on how much of a classisist I want to be). Undoubtedly, The Wild Bunch (1969) is Sam Peckinpah's magnum opus, but that's hardly a reason to make it his only film on the list. Ride the High Country (1962), for example, is an early elegiac Western that explores Western archetypes in more interesting ways than most of the films on the list from its same general period. The AFI's definition of the Western - &amp;ldquo;a genre of films set in the American West that embodies the spirit, the struggle and the demise of the new frontier&amp;rdquo; - also seems to leave room for a movie like Lone Star (1996), or, and I know I'm pushing it here, Serenity (2005) (and you can scoff at this if you want, but Joss Whedon's movie re-imagines the Frontier and the supposed line between savagery and civilization in interesting and vital ways; I think that it certainly makes a more original contribution to the genre than does Shane). Two other recent Westerns for which I have a great deal of affection are The Claim (2000) and Open Range (2003). I'm not sure I'd end up placing all of the films listed above on a reconstructed list, but I do think that there is a tendency to treat the Western as a &amp;ldquo;dead&amp;rdquo; genre, killed at some point in the 1960s, with an occasional raising from the dead, and it's not so. It's also a genre with a fairly well-rehearsed canon. Placing The Searchers at the top of a list like this is much like putting Citizen Kane (1941) at the top of the AFI's ur-list: it's almost reflexive. Link to introduction.  Originally posted on:Short-Circuit Signs</spout:body></item>
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      <title>Spout Post: Re:Recasting RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981)</title>
      <link>http://www.spout.com/groups/Filmgaming/Re_Recasting_RAIDERS_OF_THE_LOST_ARK_1981/563/30172/1/ShowPost.aspx</link><description><![CDATA[<div><img align='left' src='http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/u38638d0m6y.jpg' hspace='10' style='height:80px;' />
<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/2470/default.aspx'>SkyPilot</a><br/>
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<strong>Post Date:</strong> 5/30/2008 9:13:37 AM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> It's amazing how a cast can instantly make us fans of a movie. If I had nine bucks, I would fork it over to see these two remakes of Raiders:    Second Place to dansinch for imagining a cult classic that never was. I'm a big fan of Raiders and Big Trouble in Little China, but I think I like this movie more than either of those:   John Carpenter's Raiders of the Lost Ark [SkyPilot's notes in brackets]       Kurt Russell                   &hellip;         Indiana Jones       Kim Cattrall                    &hellip;         Marion Ravenwood      Sam Neill                       &hellip;         Dr. Rene Belloq [Dr. Grant in Jurassic                                                             Park]       Stephen Tobolowsky   &hellip;         Major Arnold Toht, "The Melting Nazi"                                                            ["Ned! Ryerson!" He was also Sammy                                                             Jankis from Memento. Brilliant!]      Wilford Brimley              &hellip;         Sallah  [Probably best known for                                                             endorsing Quaker Oats, he brings a                                                             hokey swagger to compete with Russell's]      Hal Holbrook                &hellip;          Dr. Marcus Brody [A lifelong Mark Twain                                                             impersonator, I'm starting to think Indy's                                                             artifact is buried in Iowa]      Dennis Dun                  &hellip;          Satipo  [Probably the weakest link here --                                                            he was Kurt Russell's sidekick in Big                                                            Trouble in Little China]      Jeff Bridges                  &hellip;           Colonel Dietrich [He has the smug thing                                                             down, but could he do a German accent?]      Donald Pleasance       &hellip;          Major Eaton [He has that "Oh,  I love that                                                             guy...what's his name?" quality]    And First Place goes to PlantPage55:        Clive Owen as Indiana Jones (Was going to give this to Daniel Craig, but he already has a legitimate action franchise.  Clive needs one. Also, he has a good stubble face)       Rachel Weisz as Marion Ravenwood (The only good thing about the Mummy franchise gets out of the rip-off and into its superior ancestor)        Mathieu Amalric as Dr. Rene Belloq       Mads Mikkelsen as The Melting Nazi (Are you kidding me?! You KNOW you want to see this. Two current bonds villains teaming up for die Furher!)       Benicio Del Toro as Sallah       Richard Dreyfuss as Dr. Marcus Brody       John C. Reilly as Satipo (although Molina could still do it...)       Jude Law as Colonel Dietrich (doesn't he seem like he needs his head shrunk? ha-cha-cha!)       Geoffrey Rush as Major Eaton       Don Cheadle cameo as the main guy on the ship the Nazis board looking for Indy       Chim-Chim (from Speed Racer) as the "bad date" monkey       Thomas Haden Church cameo as the guy who pilots the plane for Indy in the opening sequence (also a tribute to his days on "Wings")   PlantPage55 demonstrates a lot of finesse here. Changing the characters pretty dramatically, it's palpable how menacing the world would be and all friendly feelings between Belloq and Indy are gone. Rachel Weisz is the only woman who could wield Marion's sexual energy, her weapon to get the upper hand in a world of sex-deprived grave robbers. Mads Mikkelson-- the blood-crying villain in Casino Royale--would bring an emotionless pathology to the Melting Nazi. Plus, having Alfred Molina reprise his role as Satipo is a great joke, and fun to watch.   Satipo = Sex symbol? Too weird to ignore  I noticed a trend while reviewing the entries. A total of five (five?) people thought Gael Garcia Bernal (Motorcycle Diaries, The Science of Sleep) would be perfect for Satipo. I wonder what that thought process was like? "He's so doe-eyed and sensual, I'd love to see a spike shoot through that sculpted face!"   Honorable mentions: Like dansinch, The_Limey26 kept the movie in 1981 but cast Michael Keaton as Indy. Stellan Skarsgaard as Colonel Dietrich is a nice touch.   My two favorite contemporary choices for Indy are:  1. Nathan Fillion (Serenity, Slither), with a nod to JediShaft.  2. Tom Jane (who plays The Punisher and the "I just want my kids back" guy from Arrested Development), with a nod to captainmagic.   And for fan's of Rocky and Bullwinkle, Cammmalot photoshopped this stroke of brilliance:  <br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:13:37 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>SkyPilot</spout:postby><spout:postto>Filmgaming</spout:postto><spout:postdate>5/30/2008 9:13:37 AM</spout:postdate><spout:body>It's amazing how a cast can instantly make us fans of a movie. If I had nine bucks, I would fork it over to see these two remakes of Raiders:    Second Place to dansinch for imagining a cult classic that never was. I'm a big fan of Raiders and Big Trouble in Little China, but I think I like this movie more than either of those:   John Carpenter's Raiders of the Lost Ark [SkyPilot's notes in brackets]       Kurt Russell                   &amp;hellip;         Indiana Jones       Kim Cattrall                    &amp;hellip;         Marion Ravenwood      Sam Neill                       &amp;hellip;         Dr. Rene Belloq [Dr. Grant in Jurassic                                                             Park]       Stephen Tobolowsky   &amp;hellip;         Major Arnold Toht, "The Melting Nazi"                                                            ["Ned! Ryerson!" He was also Sammy                                                             Jankis from Memento. Brilliant!]      Wilford Brimley              &amp;hellip;         Sallah  [Probably best known for                                                             endorsing Quaker Oats, he brings a                                                             hokey swagger to compete with Russell's]      Hal Holbrook                &amp;hellip;          Dr. Marcus Brody [A lifelong Mark Twain                                                             impersonator, I'm starting to think Indy's                                                             artifact is buried in Iowa]      Dennis Dun                  &amp;hellip;          Satipo  [Probably the weakest link here --                                                            he was Kurt Russell's sidekick in Big                                                            Trouble in Little China]      Jeff Bridges                  &amp;hellip;           Colonel Dietrich [He has the smug thing                                                             down, but could he do a German accent?]      Donald Pleasance       &amp;hellip;          Major Eaton [He has that "Oh,  I love that                                                             guy...what's his name?" quality]    And First Place goes to PlantPage55:        Clive Owen as Indiana Jones (Was going to give this to Daniel Craig, but he already has a legitimate action franchise.  Clive needs one. Also, he has a good stubble face)       Rachel Weisz as Marion Ravenwood (The only good thing about the Mummy franchise gets out of the rip-off and into its superior ancestor)        Mathieu Amalric as Dr. Rene Belloq       Mads Mikkelsen as The Melting Nazi (Are you kidding me?! You KNOW you want to see this. Two current bonds villains teaming up for die Furher!)       Benicio Del Toro as Sallah       Richard Dreyfuss as Dr. Marcus Brody       John C. Reilly as Satipo (although Molina could still do it...)       Jude Law as Colonel Dietrich (doesn't he seem like he needs his head shrunk? ha-cha-cha!)       Geoffrey Rush as Major Eaton       Don Cheadle cameo as the main guy on the ship the Nazis board looking for Indy       Chim-Chim (from Speed Racer) as the "bad date" monkey       Thomas Haden Church cameo as the guy who pilots the plane for Indy in the opening sequence (also a tribute to his days on "Wings")   PlantPage55 demonstrates a lot of finesse here. Changing the characters pretty dramatically, it's palpable how menacing the world would be and all friendly feelings between Belloq and Indy are gone. Rachel Weisz is the only woman who could wield Marion's sexual energy, her weapon to get the upper hand in a world of sex-deprived grave robbers. Mads Mikkelson-- the blood-crying villain in Casino Royale--would bring an emotionless pathology to the Melting Nazi. Plus, having Alfred Molina reprise his role as Satipo is a great joke, and fun to watch.   Satipo = Sex symbol? Too weird to ignore  I noticed a trend while reviewing the entries. A total of five (five?) people thought Gael Garcia Bernal (Motorcycle Diaries, The Science of Sleep) would be perfect for Satipo. I wonder what that thought process was like? "He's so doe-eyed and sensual, I'd love to see a spike shoot through that sculpted face!"   Honorable mentions: Like dansinch, The_Limey26 kept the movie in 1981 but cast Michael Keaton as Indy. Stellan Skarsgaard as Colonel Dietrich is a nice touch.   My two favorite contemporary choices for Indy are:  1. Nathan Fillion (Serenity, Slither), with a nod to JediShaft.  2. Tom Jane (who plays The Punisher and the "I just want my kids back" guy from Arrested Development), with a nod to captainmagic.   And for fan's of Rocky and Bullwinkle, Cammmalot photoshopped this stroke of brilliance:  </spout:body></item>
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<strong>Post By:</strong> <a href='http://www.spout.com/members/119628/default.aspx'>mercurial</a><br/>
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<strong>Post Date:</strong> 4/25/2008 5:54:12 PM<br/>
<strong>Body:</strong> I definitely was more than annoyed the first time I watched Serenity. The pseudo-futuristic amalgam language that's used and never explained (yeah, ok, it's mostly just cuss words but still), the references to other characters and places and events that are never shown or explained in the film, and just the weird Western-like nature of it. I had never watched Firefly and knew virtually nothing about the show. When watching it, I was so distracted by it all that I couldn't really focus on what was actually going on. However, watching it again a little more relaxed I loved it: mixing genres, the snarky Whedonisms (that made Buffy the Vampire Slayer such a great show) and the full range of development of each of the disparate characters. This lead me to watch Firefly (which was incredible) and then watch Serenity yet again which I finally completely fell in love with.<br/>
</div>]]></description><pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:54:12 GMT</pubDate><spout:postby>mercurial</spout:postby><spout:postto>Once Again</spout:postto><spout:postdate>4/25/2008 5:54:12 PM</spout:postdate><spout:body>I definitely was more than annoyed the first time I watched Serenity. The pseudo-futuristic amalgam language that's used and never explained (yeah, ok, it's mostly just cuss words but still), the references to other characters and places and events that are never shown or explained in the film, and just the weird Western-like nature of it. I had never watched Firefly and knew virtually nothing about the show. When watching it, I was so distracted by it all that I couldn't really focus on what was actually going on. However, watching it again a little more relaxed I loved it: mixing genres, the snarky Whedonisms (that made Buffy the Vampire Slayer such a great show) and the full range of development of each of the disparate characters. This lead me to watch Firefly (which was incredible) and then watch Serenity yet again which I finally completely fell in love with.</spout:body></item>
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