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Year: 2002
Director: Gaspar Noé
Plot: Gaspar Noé's Irreversible utilizes the same storytelling technique used by Christopher Nolan in Memento and Harold Pinter in Betrayal. Consisting of about a dozen scenes, all shot in single takes, Irreversible charts a disturbing night in the life of Marcus (Vincent Cassel), but presents the events in reverse chronological order. The audience eventually learns how the beautiful Alex (Cassel's real-life partner Monica Bellucci) is involved. The film opens with a violent altercation at a gay sex club and works backward to explain how and why the violence occurred. The actors improvised the vast majority of the dialogue starting from a four-page story outline. Irreversible was screened in competition at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival. ~ Perry Seibert, All Movie Guide
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]]>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:06:18 GMTIrreversible2002Gaspar Noé<a href="/players/P___205571/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Gaspar Noé</a>'s Irreversible utilizes the same storytelling technique used by <a href="/players/P___240025/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Christopher Nolan</a> in <a href=/films/171936/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'>Memento</a> and <a href="/players/P___106552/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Harold Pinter</a> in <a href=/films/3016/default.aspx style='text-decoration:underline'>Betrayal</a>. Consisting of about a dozen scenes, all shot in single takes, Irreversible charts a disturbing night in the life of Marcus (<a href="/players/P___198972/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Vincent Cassel</a>), but presents the events in reverse chronological order. The audience eventually learns how the beautiful Alex (Cassel's real-life partner <a href="/players/P___195176/default.aspx" style='text-decoration:underline'>Monica Bellucci</a>) is involved. The film opens with a violent altercation at a gay sex club and works backward to explain how and why the violence occurred. The actors improvised the vast majority of the dialogue starting from a four-page story outline. Irreversible was screened in competition at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival. ~ Perry Seibert, All Movie Guide28Tag Target (>10)22253http://www.spout.com/ProductImages/t33629qbcq2.jpghttp://www.spout.com/films/Irreversible/210030/default.aspxFilm http://www.spout.com/groups/Movie_Polls/Re_Which_of_these_film_movments_have_produced_film/657/40557/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
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Post Date: 2/19/2009 3:15:26 PM
Body: [quote user="pippin06"] This is out of my league too. I consider myself an average to above average filmgoer/viewer but am not sure if I've seen anything in any category (maybe I have and I didn't know it...but maybe not). Like I said, I saw a lot of French films in college, but who knows if they fall under New Wave or something like that... ...but maybe we could somehow start a discussion somewhere where people schooled in these film schools could make recommendations for beginners. That would be cool, right? Or, maybe it's already somewhere...anyone know? [/quote] Ok, well I'll try to give some insight on what I know about them and any recommendations I may have. Czechoslovakian New Wave may be one of the lesser movements listed here. It kind of started in the 60s. A discription from wikipedia says "Trademarks of the movement contain long unscripted dialogues, dark and absurd humour, and the casting of nonactors." I don't know if I've actually seen any, but some of the more popular ones are available from the Criterion Collection like The Shop on Main Street (which people have mentioned on Spout before), Closely Watched Trains, and lots of Milos Forman's (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Man on the Moon, Amadeus) early work like Loves of a Blonde and The Fireman's Ball. Dogme 95 was an official movement started by Lars Von Trier and a few other Danish filmmakers that had specific rules about it. You could actually submit your film to them to be labeled as an official Dogma 95 film. You can probably find the rules online somewhere, but it involved using only digital film and found locations, props, and costumes. You aren't supposed to add any special effects. The full rules are of course available at good old wikipedia. The most famous of the films would probably The Celebration, The Idiots, and my favorite, Julien Donkey-Boy. The French New Wave is a pretty broad movement usually referring to the iconoclastic filmmakers from France. I think the tail end of the 50s is really when this started to get into full swing. Like Tennenbaums mentioned earlier, Jean Luc-Godard and François Truffaut are often the most identifiable filmmakers with the movement, although there are probably dozens if not more who have been lumped into this movement. SkyPilot mentioned Jean-Pierre Melville's Bob le Flambeur. I have seen that one and was disappointed. I've also seen Godard's Breathless and Truffaut's Jules and Jim both of which I did not enjoy. Truffaut's The 400 Blows I appreciated a bit more, but still not a favorite. Some people throw Éric Rohmer into this category as well, although some argue his style is considerably different and stems from somewhere other than many other of the French New Wave filmmakers. I have enjoyed what little I've seen of his work. Expressionism was a movement in Europe in the early 20th century. It stressed intense emotion conveyed through exaggerated and distorted style and forms. The Germans took this movement and put it in film. I'm sure you recognize famous directors like F. W. Murnau and Fritz Lang. Some of these films had extremely expressionistic and highly unrealistic visuals like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. Some like The Last Laugh were just more more distorted versions of reality. With all the Dracula talk that has happend on Spout at times I'm guessing you've also heard of Nosferatu. Some of Lang's works that came a bit later that are well known might also count like M and Metropolis. When I looked into it, I can't really define Iranian New Wave any better than just saying it's basically films that were made in Iran. I guess the most popular filmmaker is Abbas Kiarostami. Look him up and you may recognize a lot of his films. Maybe not. I have seen two films from Majid Majidi and would recommend The Color of Paradise. It's kind of recent though so I don't really know if it's a good representation of the first wave of the Iranian New Wave. Italian neorealism is what it probably sounds like. Italian films that stressed trying to give a realistic depiction of every day working class people. They did this by shootings things on location and often with non-actors. And a lot of the the "boring" action of normal life that might not find it's way into other films is here. Although I sure don't find it boring. The time frame we are looking at is the later forties. The most famous example is Vittorio De Sica's The Bicycle Thief which I would highly recommend, although De Sica's Shoeshine and Umberto D are also amazing. Other big name directors are Luchino Visconti and Roberto Rossellini. The Japanese New Wave like the French New Wave were a bunch of iconoclastic filmmakers that started with works being released around the end of the 50s through the 70s. You could put Seijun Suzuki in this category who is one of my favorite directors. Tokyo Drifter, Fighting Elegy, Branded to Kill, and Youth of the Beast are all fims of his that I love and are available on the Criterion Collection. Hiroshi Teshigahara also has some of his movies released through Criterion, one of which, Woman in the Dunes, I just saw recently and is amazing. Shohei Imamura also has some of his movies available through Criterion (this is basically just a big Criterion ad). Nagisa Oshima is probably the biggest name from this moment in my mind and I'm rather embarassed to say I still haven't seen any of his films. Mumblecore core is the newest term on this list and has gotten a lot of press on Spout, so maybe you've heard of it. I don't know if I've really seen any movies that would fit this category hardcore, but you probably recognize the trend in independent cinema. I think it has a lot to do with young adults living in big cities. Very low budget. Lots of slang and hip music and culture references with a realistic style. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Joe Swanberg had a short film series on Spout for a while I think. New French Extremity is the other really new term here. I just came across the name recently to refer to a recent wave of confrontational French films ove the past decade or so. You know how we had a group here on spout called "extreme films"? Well a lot of these would probably fit in nice there. They show you the extreme fifth, cruelty, and violence of humanity often in graphic detail. You may recognize a lot of these names. Gaspar Noé's Irreversible is one of the most well known state side I think. It's the one that runs backwards. I've seen his I Stand Alone and let me say it's pretty striking and depression, very confrontational to the dark and depressing side of the human condition. Other examples are some of Claire Denis' and Leos Carax's recent work, Bruno Dumont (The Life of Jesus, Humanité), Catherine Breillat (Fat Girl). Maybe you have also heard of the infamous Baise-moi (Fuck Me). If you listen to a lot of the horror fans we have on the site too you may hear them rave about many of the violent horror films comming out of France recently. These could probably fit in well too. The most well known now being High Tension. As for New German Cinema, you've heard of Werner Herzog right?? He's one of my favorites (check out The Mystery of Kaspar Hauser, Aguirre: The Wrath of God, Stroszek, Fitzcarraldo). Well he and some other German folks such as R. W. Fassbinder (Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, The Marriage of Maria Braun, The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant (the guy made well over fourty films in a span of sixteen years including the fifteen hour long Berlin Alexanderplatz)), Wim Wenders (Wings of Desire, Paris, Texas), Volker Schlöndorff (The Tin Drum) and several others started making the first original movies starting in the late 60s since before the rise of the Nazis (Werner Herzog even made a remake of the classic German film Nosferatu). Finally Germany was a force in the world of Cinema making original and revolutionary films again. Anyone have anything to add?
]]>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:15:26 GMTRisseladaMovie Polls2/19/2009 3:15:26 PM[quote user="pippin06"] This is out of my league too. I consider myself an average to above average filmgoer/viewer but am not sure if I've seen anything in any category (maybe I have and I didn't know it...but maybe not). Like I said, I saw a lot of French films in college, but who knows if they fall under New Wave or something like that... ...but maybe we could somehow start a discussion somewhere where people schooled in these film schools could make recommendations for beginners. That would be cool, right? Or, maybe it's already somewhere...anyone know? [/quote] Ok, well I'll try to give some insight on what I know about them and any recommendations I may have. Czechoslovakian New Wave may be one of the lesser movements listed here. It kind of started in the 60s. A discription from wikipedia says "Trademarks of the movement contain long unscripted dialogues, dark and absurd humour, and the casting of nonactors." I don't know if I've actually seen any, but some of the more popular ones are available from the Criterion Collection like The Shop on Main Street (which people have mentioned on Spout before), Closely Watched Trains, and lots of Milos Forman's (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Man on the Moon, Amadeus) early work like Loves of a Blonde and The Fireman's Ball. Dogme 95 was an official movement started by Lars Von Trier and a few other Danish filmmakers that had specific rules about it. You could actually submit your film to them to be labeled as an official Dogma 95 film. You can probably find the rules online somewhere, but it involved using only digital film and found locations, props, and costumes. You aren't supposed to add any special effects. The full rules are of course available at good old wikipedia. The most famous of the films would probably The Celebration, The Idiots, and my favorite, Julien Donkey-Boy. The French New Wave is a pretty broad movement usually referring to the iconoclastic filmmakers from France. I think the tail end of the 50s is really when this started to get into full swing. Like Tennenbaums mentioned earlier, Jean Luc-Godard and Fran&ccedil;ois Truffaut are often the most identifiable filmmakers with the movement, although there are probably dozens if not more who have been lumped into this movement. SkyPilot mentioned Jean-Pierre Melville's Bob le Flambeur. I have seen that one and was disappointed. I've also seen Godard's Breathless and Truffaut's Jules and Jim both of which I did not enjoy. Truffaut's The 400 Blows I appreciated a bit more, but still not a favorite. Some people throw &Eacute;ric Rohmer into this category as well, although some argue his style is considerably different and stems from somewhere other than many other of the French New Wave filmmakers. I have enjoyed what little I've seen of his work. Expressionism was a movement in Europe in the early 20th century. It stressed intense emotion conveyed through exaggerated and distorted style and forms. The Germans took this movement and put it in film. I'm sure you recognize famous directors like F. W. Murnau and Fritz Lang. Some of these films had extremely expressionistic and highly unrealistic visuals like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. Some like The Last Laugh were just more more distorted versions of reality. With all the Dracula talk that has happend on Spout at times I'm guessing you've also heard of Nosferatu. Some of Lang's works that came a bit later that are well known might also count like M and Metropolis. When I looked into it, I can't really define Iranian New Wave any better than just saying it's basically films that were made in Iran. I guess the most popular filmmaker is Abbas Kiarostami. Look him up and you may recognize a lot of his films. Maybe not. I have seen two films from Majid Majidi and would recommend The Color of Paradise. It's kind of recent though so I don't really know if it's a good representation of the first wave of the Iranian New Wave. Italian neorealism is what it probably sounds like. Italian films that stressed trying to give a realistic depiction of every day working class people. They did this by shootings things on location and often with non-actors. And a lot of the the "boring" action of normal life that might not find it's way into other films is here. Although I sure don't find it boring. The time frame we are looking at is the later forties. The most famous example is Vittorio De Sica's The Bicycle Thief which I would highly recommend, although De Sica's Shoeshine and Umberto D are also amazing. Other big name directors are Luchino Visconti and Roberto Rossellini. The Japanese New Wave like the French New Wave were a bunch of iconoclastic filmmakers that started with works being released around the end of the 50s through the 70s. You could put Seijun Suzuki in this category who is one of my favorite directors. Tokyo Drifter, Fighting Elegy, Branded to Kill, and Youth of the Beast are all fims of his that I love and are available on the Criterion Collection. Hiroshi Teshigahara also has some of his movies released through Criterion, one of which, Woman in the Dunes, I just saw recently and is amazing. Shohei Imamura also has some of his movies available through Criterion (this is basically just a big Criterion ad). Nagisa Oshima is probably the biggest name from this moment in my mind and I'm rather embarassed to say I still haven't seen any of his films. Mumblecore core is the newest term on this list and has gotten a lot of press on Spout, so maybe you've heard of it. I don't know if I've really seen any movies that would fit this category hardcore, but you probably recognize the trend in independent cinema. I think it has a lot to do with young adults living in big cities. Very low budget. Lots of slang and hip music and culture references with a realistic style. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Joe Swanberg had a short film series on Spout for a while I think. New French Extremity is the other really new term here. I just came across the name recently to refer to a recent wave of confrontational French films ove the past decade or so. You know how we had a group here on spout called "extreme films"? Well a lot of these would probably fit in nice there. They show you the extreme fifth, cruelty, and violence of humanity often in graphic detail. You may recognize a lot of these names. Gaspar No&eacute;'s Irreversible is one of the most well known state side I think. It's the one that runs backwards. I've seen his I Stand Alone and let me say it's pretty striking and depression, very confrontational to the dark and depressing side of the human condition. Other examples are some of Claire Denis' and Leos Carax's recent work, Bruno Dumont (The Life of Jesus, Humanit&eacute;), Catherine Breillat (Fat Girl). Maybe you have also heard of the infamous Baise-moi (Fuck Me). If you listen to a lot of the horror fans we have on the site too you may hear them rave about many of the violent horror films comming out of France recently. These could probably fit in well too. The most well known now being High Tension. As for New German Cinema, you've heard of Werner Herzog right?? He's one of my favorites (check out The Mystery of Kaspar Hauser, Aguirre: The Wrath of God, Stroszek, Fitzcarraldo). Well he and some other German folks such as R. W. Fassbinder (Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, The Marriage of Maria Braun, The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant (the guy made well over fourty films in a span of sixteen years including the fifteen hour long Berlin Alexanderplatz)), Wim Wenders (Wings of Desire, Paris, Texas), Volker Schl&ouml;ndorff (The Tin Drum) and several others started making the first original movies starting in the late 60s since before the rise of the Nazis (Werner Herzog even made a remake of the classic German film Nosferatu). Finally Germany was a force in the world of Cinema making original and revolutionary films again. Anyone have anything to add? http://www.spout.com/groups/Weekly_Theme/Re_Weekly_Theme_for_November_17_In_The_Nude/625/37420/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: mercurial
Post To: Weekly Theme
Post Date: 11/18/2008 8:43:22 PM
Body: So many to list . . . so how about I go with the most shocking (to me). Julianne Moore / Heather Graham / Mark Wahlberg in Boogie Nights Kevin Bacon in Wild Things Never have I wanted to rip out my eyes so badly before. Denise Richards in Wild Things Makes up for Kevin Bacon. Kate WInslet in Titanic Jennifer Connelly in Requiem for a Dream Holly Hunter in Crash Mena Suvari in American Beauty Michael Pitt in The Dreamers Kate Hudson in Almost Famous Get your pause buttons ready. Dina Meyer in Starship Troopers Gwyneth Paltrow in Shakespeare in Love Monica Bellucci in Irreversible Laura Harring in Mulholland Dr. Out of the middle of nowhere, BAM! Lesbian Sex Scene! Elizabeth Berkley / Gina Gershon in Showgirls From Saved By The Bell to this. Nice transition. Jaime King in Sin City Vinessa Shaw in Eyes Wide Shut Wait? She was wearing a mask? I didn't notice. Milla Jovovich in The Fifth Element Selma Blair in Storytelling Some people only saw a big black censored square over her. Find the unrated version of the film. Selma Blair in A Dirty Shame So they are obviously fake, but holy &#$%! Uma Thurman in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen So she's almost completely naked. Who cares! Sheryl Lee in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me They couldn't do that on television! Rose McGowan in The Doom Generation Erika Eleniak in Under Siege Happy Birthday to me! Erika Eleniak in Chasers Amy Adams in Psycho Beach Party Before she was an Academy Award Nominee. Natalie Portman in Hotel Chevalier Heather Matarazzo in Hostel 2 Christina Ricci in The Opposite of Sex Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan WOW! Isabella Rossellini in Blue Velvet Ewan McGregor in Velvet Goldmine Emmanuelle Seigner in The Ninth Gate Straddling Johnny Depp next to a burning castle. Hot! Demi Moore in Striptease I think that's enough for now. And yes, I am a pervert.
]]>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:43:22 GMTmercurialWeekly Theme11/18/2008 8:43:22 PMSo many to list . . . so how about I go with the most shocking (to me). Julianne Moore / Heather Graham / Mark Wahlberg in Boogie Nights Kevin Bacon in Wild Things Never have I wanted to rip out my eyes so badly before. Denise Richards in Wild Things Makes up for Kevin Bacon. Kate WInslet in Titanic Jennifer Connelly in Requiem for a Dream Holly Hunter in Crash Mena Suvari in American Beauty Michael Pitt in The Dreamers Kate Hudson in Almost Famous Get your pause buttons ready. Dina Meyer in Starship Troopers Gwyneth Paltrow in Shakespeare in Love Monica Bellucci in Irreversible Laura Harring in Mulholland Dr. Out of the middle of nowhere, BAM! Lesbian Sex Scene! Elizabeth Berkley / Gina Gershon in Showgirls From Saved By The Bell to this. Nice transition. Jaime King in Sin City Vinessa Shaw in Eyes Wide Shut Wait? She was wearing a mask? I didn't notice. Milla Jovovich in The Fifth Element Selma Blair in Storytelling Some people only saw a big black censored square over her. Find the unrated version of the film. Selma Blair in A Dirty Shame So they are obviously fake, but holy &amp;#$%! Uma Thurman in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen So she's almost completely naked. Who cares! Sheryl Lee in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me They couldn't do that on television! Rose McGowan in The Doom Generation Erika Eleniak in Under Siege Happy Birthday to me! Erika Eleniak in Chasers Amy Adams in Psycho Beach Party Before she was an Academy Award Nominee. Natalie Portman in Hotel Chevalier Heather Matarazzo in Hostel 2 Christina Ricci in The Opposite of Sex Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan WOW! Isabella Rossellini in Blue Velvet Ewan McGregor in Velvet Goldmine Emmanuelle Seigner in The Ninth Gate Straddling Johnny Depp next to a burning castle. Hot! Demi Moore in Striptease I think that's enough for now. And yes, I am a pervert. http://www.spout.com/groups/HORROR_MOVIES_101/New_wave_french_horror/222/29061/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Macabre_FilmNut
Post To: HORROR MOVIES 101
Post Date: 5/13/2008 10:28:54 PM
Body: I remember that opening scene in the vehicle and the killer is proceeding to do something with a skull. Now for alll you that have seen Haute Tension, you know what I am talking about? From that point on after he is done and discards the head out the window, the movie proceeds to get better with plot and gore! After seeing that and not being disapointed. I have proceeded to watch most films from France. Since Malefique (2003) there has been a huge sucess in Movies over there. Problem with France is that only movies tthat are allowed on tv , are the only ones really allowed to be filmed over there. So movies like haute tension(High Tension (2003)), Sheitan (2006), Ils(Them (2006)), Calvaire (2004) and my favorite for this year À l'intérieur (2007). If it wasn't for StudioCanal releasing these, we may have never seen them this quick! Also Movies like Gasper Noe's Irreversible (2002) and I Stand Alone (1998) were really well done and not for the faint of heart. Also Claire Denis's film Trouble Every Day (2001) which was well done. I am curious to know, what other people may think, of all this new french horror? And there opinions on these movies?
]]>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:28:54 GMTMacabre_FilmNutHORROR MOVIES 1015/13/2008 10:28:54 PM I remember that opening scene in the vehicle and the killer is proceeding to do something with a skull. Now for alll you that have seen Haute Tension, you know what I am talking about? From that point on after he is done and discards the head out the window, the movie proceeds to get better with plot and gore! After seeing that and not being disapointed. I have proceeded to watch most films from France. Since Malefique (2003) there has been a huge sucess in Movies over there. Problem with France is that only movies tthat are allowed on tv , are the only ones really allowed to be filmed over there. So movies like haute tension(High Tension (2003)), Sheitan (2006), Ils(Them (2006)), Calvaire (2004) and my favorite for this year &Agrave; l'int&eacute;rieur (2007). If it wasn't for StudioCanal releasing these, we may have never seen them this quick! Also Movies like Gasper Noe's Irreversible (2002) and I Stand Alone (1998) were really well done and not for the faint of heart. Also Claire Denis's film Trouble Every Day (2001) which was well done. I am curious to know, what other people may think, of all this new french horror? And there opinions on these movies? http://www.spout.com/groups/Asian_Art_Cinema/Definitions_of_Art_Unclassificables_movies_Art_S/412/15454/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: tinokiev
Post To: Asian Art Cinema
Post Date: 7/20/2007 9:30:27 PM
Body: Personally I often find myself trying to classify or rate a film, specially asian ones and not finding a term or a category to put it on. It is like " a wong kar wai" film. Wong Kar Wai himself is a category of his own approach to aesthetics's, or you could said a "takashi mike" film and you know you are going to expect lots of blood. But still are hard to categorized. You cannot say "The postmen in the mountain" is a father-son movie only, or that "scent of the green papaya" is maturity. Etc. I think everyone is clear that there are just movies that do not fall into a genre and explore here and there into different categories that we recognize. And many of those movies ended up being referred to as "Art Film" or "Experimental". Anyway, I called this group "Asian Art Cinema" and while I was looking through some of the films I put in I found myself wondering. Is this and this film an "Asian art" film ?. And many people will probably argue and disagree with my concept or art. But being this an open group I kind of put any Asian film that I have watch. So please feel free to add films to the list even if you don't believe it is "Art" To take an example, we have "Oldboy" . I personally loved that movie. It was escene of extreme violence as well as what I consider to be extreme beauty (Hugging couple in the snow), It was a combination of sex and romance that i finded very well managed for being involved with "incest". There is Action, Comedy, Romance, Horror, Suspense, Dobule Personalities, and Detective like genre. But I still think this movie is an Art film, for his contemporary and different approach. Do you think that is art ? "In the realm of the senses" and "Lies"for example really makes people think what the whole film wanted to say or was about, apart from showing a lot of sex. Is that art ? Takashi Kitano Is one of the directors that mix the pure Art scenes by definition, with extreme violence, and it is not hard to classify "Hana Bi" (Fireworks) as an Art film. But will you say the same about his film "Violent Cop" ?So this discussion with myself is not going anywhere, but I hope you understand the confusion I have. To what point violence & Sex overcome a movie and tags it for it, How much until it goes in or out the "art" category. Is it ok to show extreme violence if is beautifully shot ? Or can we justify a rape scene by letting the rapist say a haiku ?Let me know what you think ! PD: I didn't mention western films with similar "dilemmas " like "irreversible " or "9 1/2 weeks". But I think the discussion can include same category of films even if they are not western. Ivan
]]>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:30:27 GMTtinokievAsian Art Cinema7/20/2007 9:30:27 PMPersonally I often find myself trying to classify or rate a film, specially asian ones and not finding a term or a category to put it on. It is like " a wong kar wai" film. Wong Kar Wai himself is a category of his own approach to aesthetics&#39;s, or you could said a "takashi mike" film and you know you are going to expect lots of blood. But still are hard to categorized. You cannot say "The postmen in the mountain" is a father-son movie only, or that "scent of the green papaya" is maturity. Etc. I think everyone is clear that there are just movies that do not fall into a genre and explore here and there into different categories that we recognize. And many of those movies ended up being referred to as "Art Film" or "Experimental". Anyway, I called this group "Asian Art Cinema" and while I was looking through some of the films I put in I found myself wondering. Is this and this film an "Asian art" film ?. And many people will probably argue and disagree with my concept or art. But being this an open group I kind of put any Asian film that I have watch. So please feel free to add films to the list even if you don&#39;t believe it is "Art" To take an example, we have "Oldboy" . I personally loved that movie. It was escene of extreme violence as well as what I consider to be extreme beauty (Hugging couple in the snow), It was a combination of sex and romance that i finded very well managed for being involved with "incest". There is Action, Comedy, Romance, Horror, Suspense, Dobule Personalities, and Detective like genre. But I still think this movie is an Art film, for his contemporary and different approach. Do you think that is art ? "In the realm of the senses" and "Lies"for example really makes people think what the whole film wanted to say or was about, apart from showing a lot of sex. Is that art ? Takashi Kitano Is one of the directors that mix the pure Art scenes by definition, with extreme violence, and it is not hard to classify "Hana Bi" (Fireworks) as an Art film. But will you say the same about his film "Violent Cop" ?So this discussion with myself is not going anywhere, but I hope you understand the confusion I have. To what point violence &amp; Sex overcome a movie and tags it for it, How much until it goes in or out the "art" category. Is it ok to show extreme violence if is beautifully shot ? Or can we justify a rape scene by letting the rapist say a haiku ?Let me know what you think ! PD: I didn&#39;t mention western films with similar "dilemmas " like "irreversible " or "9 1/2 weeks". But I think the discussion can include same category of films even if they are not western. Ivan http://www.spout.com/blogs/mnoo/archive/2007/7/12/13757.aspx Post By: mnoo
Post To: mnoo Blog
Post Date: 7/12/2007 6:05:07 PM
Body: This was certainly a difficult film to watch and to digest. The whole film is played backwards, starting from the most ugliest and uncomfortable scenes I've ever seen and slowly returning to the start where everything was still ok. Even though it was a hard film to watch (and definitely not the best choice for a Saturday evening chilling with friends... :|) I did find it intriguing. It illustrated with terrifying clarity how fragile life is and how every small decision can affect the way things turn out. At the start you can't help but wonder what freaks these people are and how everything about them seems so fucked up, until you find out why and eventually discover that at the start, they were all indeed perfectly normal and happy. Horrible things happen in life – to completely normal people. And apparently even to people are gorgeous as Monica Bellucci.
]]>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:05:07 GMTmnoomnoo Blog7/12/2007 6:05:07 PMThis was certainly a difficult film to watch and to digest. The whole film is played backwards, starting from the most ugliest and uncomfortable scenes I've ever seen and slowly returning to the start where everything was still ok. Even though it was a hard film to watch (and definitely not the best choice for a Saturday evening chilling with friends... :|) I did find it intriguing. It illustrated with terrifying clarity how fragile life is and how every small decision can affect the way things turn out. At the start you can't help but wonder what freaks these people are and how everything about them seems so fucked up, until you find out why and eventually discover that at the start, they were all indeed perfectly normal and happy. Horrible things happen in life &ndash; to completely normal people. And apparently even to people are gorgeous as Monica Bellucci. http://www.spout.com/blogs/animerion/archive/2007/6/11/10784.aspx Post By: animerion
Post To: Movie Musings
Post Date: 6/11/2007 4:12:53 PM
Body: It has been a while since I have affected by a film to the degree that Irreversable has affected me. It hasn’t given me nightmares, but there are instances where this film plays out like one. While there is little French cinema that I have enjoyed, this is actually one of the few that I could sit all the way through. And honestly, I can’t say I even enjoyed this movie because the experience itself was emotionally taxing, I don’t think I can ever watch this film again, at least anytime soon.It’s hard to describe the film without mentioning the format of this film. The movie occurs in a backwards fashion, much like Memento, but with a few differences. In Memento, when a scene ended it ended fairly abruptly and also featured the first few seconds of the previous scene to put the scene into context within the story. This is honestly preferable because in Irreversible, instead of a scene just ending, there is a camera move to transition between the scenes instead of a cut. Also, there the overlap that is present in Memento is not present in this film. It’s not like there is vital information that it missing but the viewer needs to piece the puzzle together themselves. This does not work in this film until about 20 minutes or so as I had no clue what was going on. Also the camera work was insane, floating around an opening scene in a dimly lit bar, not focusing specifically on anyone or anything. It’s quite possible this technique was employed to show the main character’s state of mind at the time. Despite that, there were no hints as to the structure of the film until after this time and then I eventually figured it out what was happening and the camerawork became more controlled. Once this happens the plot finally gets a chance to rise to the surface. The story focuses on a man avenging the rape of his girlfriend. We get a story arc about the day the rape occurred which gives us a chance to see the characters and their personalities before and after the tragic event occurs. The only name familiar to me in the cast is Monica Bellucci, whom is known for roles in the last two Matrix films and The Brothers Grimm. She gives a strong performance considering she doesn’t have a whole lot to do and is only in about half the movie. I have a really difficult time recommending this movie. At the same I will see see it if you have a strong stomach. This is a strong, unforgiving thriller that I think should be seen to be appreciated, yet not necessarily liked.
]]>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:12:53 GMTanimerionMovie Musings6/11/2007 4:12:53 PMIt has been a while since I have affected by a film to the degree that Irreversable has affected me. It hasn&rsquo;t given me nightmares, but there are instances where this film plays out like one. While there is little French cinema that I have enjoyed, this is actually one of the few that I could sit all the way through. And honestly, I can&rsquo;t say I even enjoyed this movie because the experience itself was emotionally taxing, I don&rsquo;t think I can ever watch this film again, at least anytime soon.It&rsquo;s hard to describe the film without mentioning the format of this film. The movie occurs in a backwards fashion, much like Memento, but with a few differences. In Memento, when a scene ended it ended fairly abruptly and also featured the first few seconds of the previous scene to put the scene into context within the story. This is honestly preferable because in Irreversible, instead of a scene just ending, there is a camera move to transition between the scenes instead of a cut. Also, there the overlap that is present in Memento is not present in this film. It&rsquo;s not like there is vital information that it missing but the viewer needs to piece the puzzle together themselves. This does not work in this film until about 20 minutes or so as I had no clue what was going on. Also the camera work was insane, floating around an opening scene in a dimly lit bar, not focusing specifically on anyone or anything. It&rsquo;s quite possible this technique was employed to show the main character&rsquo;s state of mind at the time. Despite that, there were no hints as to the structure of the film until after this time and then I eventually figured it out what was happening and the camerawork became more controlled. Once this happens the plot finally gets a chance to rise to the surface. The story focuses on a man avenging the rape of his girlfriend. We get a story arc about the day the rape occurred which gives us a chance to see the characters and their personalities before and after the tragic event occurs. The only name familiar to me in the cast is Monica Bellucci, whom is known for roles in the last two Matrix films and The Brothers Grimm. She gives a strong performance considering she doesn&rsquo;t have a whole lot to do and is only in about half the movie. I have a really difficult time recommending this movie. At the same I will see see it if you have a strong stomach. This is a strong, unforgiving thriller that I think should be seen to be appreciated, yet not necessarily liked. http://www.spout.com/groups/PulpFiction1975/Re_Telling_A_Story_Backwards/66/3263/1/ShowPost.aspx Post By: Risselada
Post To: PulpFiction1975
Post Date: 10/16/2006 1:36:19 PM
Body: The most extreme example of non-linear structure I've seen is probably 21 Grams. I consideration of how cut up and rearranged the timeline is, it's pretty amazing how well it flows and reveals different parts of the timeline in the most effective way. Another recent film that I have heard uses the non-linear story telling technique quite well is Irreversible. I hope to be able to see this pretty soon because it sounds amazing. [quote user="SkyPilot"]FRIENDLY CHALLENGE: Does anyone know what the first example of non-linear storytelling is, in film or in literature? I have no idea. (The mere inclusion of flashbacks doesn't count.) [/quote] I did a search on IMDB for keywords that might relate. There is one called "Nonlinear Timeline". The earliest movie that has this tag associated with it is actually Un chien andalou in 1929. But since this film doesn't really have a coherent narrative, I'm not sure if it's really applicable to call it storytelling in the same sense that I think we are referring to. The next earliest film to have this tag is The Big Clock in 1948 which I've actually heard is among the best film noirs ever made. Now I'm even more excited to see it. There's also a category called "Multiple Time Frames" which I'm not sure exactly what this means. But it may refer to the fact that we see different events or perspectives of events that all occur during the same time frame. This often necessitates a non-linear story telling technique, but I think it is an even more specific and complex technique that is surely used to magnificent effect in Pulp Fiction.
]]>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:36:19 GMTRisseladaPulpFiction197510/16/2006 1:36:19 PMThe most extreme example of non-linear structure I've seen is probably 21 Grams. I consideration of how cut up and rearranged the timeline is, it's pretty amazing how well it flows and reveals different parts of the timeline in the most effective way. Another recent film that I have heard uses the non-linear story telling technique quite well is Irreversible. I hope to be able to see this pretty soon because it sounds amazing. [quote user="SkyPilot"]FRIENDLY CHALLENGE: Does anyone know what the first example of non-linear storytelling is, in film or in literature? I have no idea. (The mere inclusion of flashbacks doesn't count.) [/quote] I did a search on IMDB for keywords that might relate. There is one called "Nonlinear Timeline". The earliest movie that has this tag associated with it is actually Un chien andalou in 1929. But since this film doesn't really have a coherent narrative, I'm not sure if it's really applicable to call it storytelling in the same sense that I think we are referring to. The next earliest film to have this tag is The Big Clock in 1948 which I've actually heard is among the best film noirs ever made. Now I'm even more excited to see it. There's also a category called "Multiple Time Frames" which I'm not sure exactly what this means. But it may refer to the fact that we see different events or perspectives of events that all occur during the same time frame. This often necessitates a non-linear story telling technique, but I think it is an even more specific and complex technique that is surely used to magnificent effect in Pulp Fiction. http://www.spout.com/members/0/tags/murder/MemberTagFilms.aspxmurder
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